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As Dow Sets Another Record High, Leftists Continue to Repeat

Postby Michaels153 » December 31st, 2017, 10:01 am


Tax cuts for the Rich!"
"The rich are getting richer!"
"Over 50% of Americans are not enjoying stock market gains!"
Blah, blah, blah.
The Left can never stop promoting the same old lies about economics - about which they know nothing. Their track record proves it. Remember the doom and gloom past predictions from people like Mark Cuban about the stock market crashing after Trump's presidential victory?
Moving On Up

The Dow Jones Industrial Average gained well over 25 percent for the year. It broke records unprecedented in history. …This market was not in a correction cycle. …This market, for the last several years, was being held down by poor economic policies from the previous eight years. It was being choked out by excessive over-regulation and high corporate tax rates. According to the Tax Foundation, the United States had the 4th highest corporate tax rate on the planet. This was a market shackled, waiting to be set free.
Donald Trump will go down in history as the Great Emancipator of the American Economy, and it will last until our government overlords burden it once again. Yes, there will be profit-taking. Yes, there will be ups and downs. And yes, with every one of them, Leftists will denounce capitalism, the "rich", and scream for someone to "do something!"
That "something" always involves government interference in free markets, which ultimately leads to long-term economic decline. Lather, rinse, repeat.
Take Banking, For Example

Let's look at one sector of the economy in particular: banking. Just for fun, assume that all bankers are greedy and selfish. I know it's a stretch, but hear me out. Considering that, why would any banker in his right mind make a loan to someone without an excellent ability to pay it back? [Logic is never a required element for Leftist propaganda]
Government interference in free markets has been the biggest culprit when it comes to failed loans. [Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac]The minute the government started guaranteeing loans and forcing banks to make loans to incapable borrowers, the stage was set for a major financial meltdown. Remember the housing collapse in 2008? [Please remember and never forget this. The Left does not want you to remember it, but since they can’t stop people from referencing this scandal, they hold on to their lies.]...Like "tax cuts for the rich," Leftists sold the illusion that all bankers were bad and needed to be more regulated, while at the same time forcing or incentivizing those same bankers to make bad loans. They have done the same thing to the healthcare industry. The next thing up for disaster: government-guaranteed student loans. No banker in the world would loan money to someone so that they can major in gender studies at a university that costs $50,000 per year. Correct that...not without a government guarantee, that is.
How do we fix all this? Remove the government from the mix. Period. That's the direction Trump is moving. The result? The market has responded in leaps and bounds.
The Left's Continued Lies
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"50 percent of Americans aren't benefitting directly from the gains in the market," is the next dressed up lie from the Left. But this is more palatable to them than, "50 percent of Americans are morons and aren't smart enough to save any of their hard-earned money."
Whose fault is it that Americans don't participate in investing where there are literally no barriers to entry? There are mutual funds where the initial minimum investment is roughly the cost of a tattoo, iPhone, or big screen TV. What's the excuse? Additionally, any American who has a 401(k) but does not invest in it can blame no one but himself.
Even government workers benefit from the market's rise. It makes their woefully underfunded pension more solvent until their government managers steal more money from it to pay for other "necessities," like free college tuition and healthcare for people who entered the country illegally.
The greatest lie of all is convincing the easily fooled into believing the stock market is a zero-sum game. Want to be a corporate fat cat? Buy some stock in your most hated "corporate evil doer's" company, and you too can benefit from capitalism. The concept of capitalism is so simple that only Leftists get it wrong.
Apple sells a product that hundreds of millions of people own, profits from the sale of those products and pays its employees and stockholders from those profits. How do they screw poor people again? (Besides by selling them a product they shouldn't be buying, because they can't afford it and should be investing their money instead.) To be a zero-sum game, for every dollar of profit Apple makes, someone would have to lose a dollar. This fantasy of the Left simply does not exist.
While the Left continues to bemoan "the rich" and sees Russia collusion in every cloud in the sky, America is winning again as evidenced by the unbridled optimism demonstrated in recent market gains. Unlike bankers making loans to incapable borrowers whose losses are covered by taxpayer guarantees, the market has no guarantees. Investors make decisions to buy based on the assumption that the future will be brighter than the present and markets go up accordingly.
America's future looks bright once again. The evidence is in the 70+ new highs for the year.
But looking at actual evidence has never been a strong suit of the Left, has it?
The Liberal Creed: Take all the money you can, from all the people you can, in all the ways that you can, for as long as you can.
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Re: As Dow Sets Another Record High, Leftists Continue to Re

Postby leftyg » December 31st, 2017, 11:23 pm

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Re: As Dow Sets Another Record High, Leftists Continue to Re

Postby Michaels153 » January 1st, 2018, 12:04 pm

The Liberal Creed: Take all the money you can, from all the people you can, in all the ways that you can, for as long as you can.
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Re: As Dow Sets Another Record High, Leftists Continue to Re

Postby leftyg » January 1st, 2018, 8:25 pm

Michaels, read your defense of of Steve Sheldon and the tax bill nonsense. First, I want to say that you cannot say anything is proven about this tax cut yet. A few random bonuses mean nothing, especially when they come from corporations who are trying to curry favor with Donald Trump, like AT&T who wants to buy Time Warner over Trump's objections. So those publizied bonuses are just anecdotes. Corporate America is swimming in cash and interest rates are low. They could expand if they wanted to; they just do not want to. If history tells us anything it is that these cuts will not revitalize the economy. Also, when Republicans get close to full employment, they back off heating up the economy because that will put their clients (corporate America) in a tight spot of actually having to pay more to get good workers.

But what I did was give lots of evidence for my view. It was not cherry picked as you say. These charts and graphs include all the data in a given time frame. Your assertions about the tax cuts fueling the economy are, at best, anecdotes. Your side has to do a better job of giving evidence to counter facts like these: we have very low taxes and our corporate rate is high, but our effective rate is fourth in the world. We will see how that works out. But we know that tax cuts to the well to do do not create more jobs. And one report from the ;congressional Research office was scrapped because it found no evidence of economic growth based on tax cuts. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/02/busin ... rates.html In other words, politics Trumped science.

And the Zandi studies at Moody Analytics, clearly show that help for the working class in either higher wages or necessary benefits helps the economy, while cuts to taxes of the rich actually hurt economic stimulus http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-k ... lar_o.html It is hard to find evidence to support the contentions you live by.

You also say that support for unions is "claptrap," which is of course claptrap itself. Workers need associations to protect their interest other wise things get out of whack like they have in the last 37 years. The middle class thrived when people either worked in unions or got the protection and wages unions forced on non union shops because of their existance. You never showed that more money to the top helps the economy yet you swear by it as if it were an article of faith. But again, with you, poitics Trumps facts, and it probably always will.

Another thing: the stock market has been going up at about the same rate it did during the Obama presidency.
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[quote="leftyg"]Michaels, read your defense of Steve Sheldon and the tax bill nonsense. Well you didn't pay much attention to what you read. To begin with I hadn't even started a defense of Steve Sheldon, nor his column. It does not need a defense. I commented on your first link as I said I wanted to do. First, I want to say that you cannot say anything is proven about this tax cut yet. Okay, but we can say that your reference lost any credibility you thought it might have statistically with what has already happened with President Trump.A few random bonuses mean nothing,(except of course to the people who received them) especially when they come from corporations who are trying to curry favor with Donald Trump, like AT&T who wants to buy Time Warner over Trump's objections. (Why dont you stop with this nonsense? Did any corporations try "to curry favor with Obama?" If so, then drop the bull here, if not,why not? So those publizied bonuses are just anecdotes. Do you want to say the same thing about Obama? Do you want to declare that any good news that came to the American worker during his presidency were just anecdotes? Corporate America is swimming in cash and interest rates are low. They could expand if they wanted to; they just do not want to. Or maybe under the Obama presidency they could not afford the risks involved in expansion, but now under President Trump they feel that the buisiness climate in the U.S. now have fewer risks. If history tells us anything it is that these cuts will not revitalize the economy. History tells us a lot of things, the left only tell you what they want you to believe. History tells us that past events are not 100% reliable as predictors of future events. (Have you read any disclaimer when you purchase stocks?) Also, when Republicans get close to full employment, they back off heating up the economy because that will put their clients (corporate America) in a tight spot of actually having to pay more to get good workers.
There is a limit that any business can grow to, which the left does not understand. In a highly competitive market, in a global economy, getting a share of the market or a piece of the pie is an accomplishment. It is tough for any new business to survive their first year. Novelty is a springboard for some new businesses but that does not last long. Survival depends on many marketing factors and even by opening up your business when you can is not a guarantee that it will help you. The consumer is not a reliable factor. Some products get over saturated (Pizza parlors), and some services underperform like laundromats. Expansion is an expensive risk, and some businesses do not even try it because after weighing the pro's and con's, they determine that they stand a better chance of survival by doing what they do best and relying on their base of customers.


But what I did was give lots of evidence for my view. Yes you did.It was not cherry picked as you say. I never said that you cherry picked what you were presenting. These charts and graphs include all the data in a given time frame. An time frames with context gives us a better understanding of what is really going on. At the beginning of the industrial age, there was more room for growth than there is now. Our country was once a leader in some markets, including the automobile industry. Now we are one of many competing for consumers in the same market. The left's use of statistics is in a static, and not a dynamic view. It looks at (for example) how the automobile factories produced X products, and pay was at Y levels, and there were Z amount of workers back at such Time. And then it adds, but today, and then the left notes the decline in one or more of those areas without an explanation of the marketing factors. But they always add their predictive spin like you show here. They conclude that the reason their is a decline in any or all areas is because of the "Greedy owners not wanting to expand, not wanting to add more workers, ...etc. Your assertions about the tax cuts fueling the economy are, at best, anecdotes. Your side has to do a better job of giving evidence to counter facts like these: we have very low taxes and our corporate rate is high, but our effective rate is fourth in the world. We will see how that works out. Yes we will. But we know that tax cuts to the well to do do not create more jobs. (Except for the times when tax cuts to the well to do, do create more jobs. And one report from the ;congressional Research office was scrapped because it found no evidence of economic growth based on tax cuts. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/02/busin ... rates.html In other words, politics Trumped science. Leftyg, the bottom line here. You have to question articles that either fail to show obvious examples that are contrary to stated research or minimize as "anecdotal such examples. And if the Republicans don't know what they are doing in running an economy then why is it improving the way it has been? Why did the GDP under Obama, in eight years, never reach 3%, but under President Trump it has been over 3%
in 3 of the last 4 quarters? And, it has improved every quarter in this his first year as Presient. Again, why?


You also say that support for unions is "claptrap," No, what is said in reference to the last paragraph's contention about "the real key to boosting wage growth for the vast majority of American workers"...is nothing more than pro-union euphemistic claptrap.. Workers need associations to protect their interest Actually this is contrary to actual labor statistics. Take the number of employed workers who are in a union and subtract that from the total number of workers in the labor force. The vast majority of the American worker is not in a union, so how are they surviving? Now workers do congregate and belong to different associations such as church, clubs, Audubon society, etc. They share their interests with one another at work about these associations. But they dont really need these associations, and these associations do not "protect their interests', so I don't think the author had these associations in mind when formulating that paragraph. otherwise things get out of whack like they have in the last 37 years. The middle class thrived when people either worked in unions or got the protection and wages unions forced on non-union shops because of their existence. There have been people of all classes who did not belong to unions and thrived.You never showed that more money to the top helps the economy Leftyg, I really am not even interested in this topic, I am much too busy right now with work and other things in my life, and I am not going to spend a lot of time here, let alone spend time always finding articles for you. Your defense of unions is interesting to me though in that as a member of the left, I thought the Left was upset about economic inequality. But by favoring and promoting union membership, you are at the same time promoting financial inequality. Don't unions start with wages that are above minimum wage? I don't hear anybody from the unions apologizing for making more than minimum wage. But you do hear the Left always complain about people on Wall Street or just about anybody who is wealthy and is not a donor to the Democrat Party.yet you swear by it as if it were an article of faith. But again, with you, politics Trumps facts, and it probably always will. Are you ever going to grow up?
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You say a lot, and I would appreciate it if you limited the scope of your comments to something more manageable. First about Steve Sheldon. YOU put up his article and his insults, not me. He called those who disagree with him "morons," and he did little if anything to dispel the idea that he really hates little people. He extolled the virtues of bankers for God Sake after the subprime meltdown, when investment banking practices almost destroyed this country.

And I reiterate: you are on the side of politics; I am on the side of science. Studies never show that tax cuts for the rich stimulate the economy. What they do is grow deficits and threaten the safety net for workers. That is called austerity and it has never worked. It did not work for Herbert Hoover, and it will not work now. The rich are the last people who should get an tax cut. because of the simple fact that they will either squirrel the money away or offshore it.

Here is how we should treat wealth and deficits: we should do the same thing we do when we have a war. We send those able to fight into battle. We send, historically, young men with 50 or more years of life in front of them and then ask them to risk all of that for their country. Our most able to pay citizens should do the same. While young men (mostly) are rich in life to offer their country, the wealthy are rich in money. Any money they spend they can get back. These kids lose their lives forever.

Here is what propose: the nation is worth 85 trillion dollars http://time.com/money/3919690/americans ... th-record/ The top one percent holds 38% of that wealth which gives them 32.3 trillion dollars. The debt is only about 20 trillion, so they could still have 12 trillion left after they paid it off, and the beauty is they could get it back, unlike the dead soldier on the battle field.

It has already been done in South Korea. In 1997, the citizens literally gave all their personal wealth to the government. Now South Korea taxes as low as ours https://stats.oecd.org/Index.aspx?DataSetCode=REV ,26.3% to our 26% But their income is much better distributed. But their Gini coefficient is much better, 29.5 t our 39.8 http://www.oecd.org/social/income-distr ... tabase.htm. All we would have to do is take 20 trillion from the top one percent and it would pay our naitonal debt with them still controlling almost 4 million dollars per person. But that would be patriotic, and the rich do not do parritotism.
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AT&T announced those bonuses well before the tax bill passed and also laid off people after the bill passed. AT&T was playing to Trump's ego, which is a savvy mood by them with the unintended consequence of playing to Trump's base as well.

I'm going to benefit quite a bit from these tax cuts but they seem largely irresponsible and I doubt they'll lead to much growth beyond what we're already seeing. When the economy does slow down, these cuts could really balloon the deficit more than they already are. They are also likely to cause some inflation, especially in larger ticket items like vehicles and houses as well as push rents up.
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Michaels, those companies used the bonuses as an excuse for tax cuts. They knew if they sent grand their workers way that it would be publicized. And AT&T gave those bonuses partly to curry favor with the Trump administration over their attempted merger with Time Warner which the administration opposes. Let's wait until e have some data, not anecdotes. Remember what Carrier factory in Indiana
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Leftyg, if Obamacare Market exchanges announced that they added one million new accounts, you would claim that that was proof that Obamacare was a success. No anecdotal information, just a success.
You don't need to wait a year or two for a study to tell you what you are seeing daily in media accounts about this economy. But you want a study as a requirement for President Trump when you were willing to accept position papers without a study, commissioned on behalf of Obama.
Bernanki is entitled to his opininion, but in this matter I don't agree with him. President Obama cooked the books while in office. He illegally funneled money from different sources to make his payoffs for the ACA to appear to be working (already documented under "Worse than a complete Waste of Money.") He played favorites in deciding where to intervene and what companies to keep from going under without any apology for it. And while there were 94 million workers no longer in the labor force the number of people receiving food stamps skyrocketed.
Congressman Paul Ryan in an interview with Chris Wallace said: "What President Obama is doing is he’s gambling with taxpayer money and giving money to corporate contributors — campaign contributors — like Solyndra, and he’s losing taxpayer money....We don’t think the government should be in the position of picking winners and losers in the economy, which is the result of the president’s economics."
And Rush Limbaugh pointed out at that time: "What Obama’s doing is much worse! He’s taking taxpayer money and he’s funneling it back to his donors like Solyndra, and they are all going bankrupt. Every green energy business — solar, wind, or whatever — that Obama’s propped up with taxpayer dollars has gone bankrupt, or will." And regarding Keynsian methods, did you forget this ->

175 Days: Treasury Says Debt Has Been Frozen at $18,112,975,000,000
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You said" Can you cite a study that gives how many people were cut back to part time because of Obamacare?" Which is a straw man because I said When Obama instituted his un-affordable I don't care act and people had there hours cut. I did not say full time employees were cut to part time employees. I said people had their hours cut and I provided a couple of links that substantiated what I said.
The January 13, 2015 piece from Forbes and the five thirty eight piece. Not a comment by you?
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I tried to post to your previous comment a couple times, once a few minutes ago and about three days ago. The point is Michaels, anecdotes have little value as causation. With modern technology and the advent of social science research an anecdote is a weak proof, and just because A came before B does not mean A caused B. It is exasperating trying to explain that somebody simply claiming something does not mean that causation is involved. Empirical studies are going to have to be done. And sure, benefactors of lower taxes will claim that the action was good all the sway around. For God Sake, it benefits them. What you need is data about the past behavior of bonus giving. You need something to compare it with, not just the word of a biased party. Remember that Paul Ryan received 500 thousand dollars from the Koch brothers the day after the tax law passed. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... spartanntp.

Two million is a statement of fact, but it is also meaningless without a context. Do you understand that? All data which is about causation requires a context. Information given in a vacuum is meaningless.
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Stocks hit record highs on stronger-than-expected earnings
The Dow, S&P 500 and Nasdaq all hit record highs.
Abbott Laboratories, United Technologies, Baker Hughes and NBCUniversal-parent Comcast all reported earnings and revenue that beat analyst expectations.
Of the S&P 500 companies that had reported as of Tuesday morning, 77 percent have beaten earnings estimates, while 80 percent have topped revenue expectations, according to FactSet.
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Trump's approval rating is incredibly low for being the president during this kind of bull run. I guess we'll see how much the rising economy actually ends up helping the lower/middle classes that Trump pandered to in the midwest. If this is another 1% land grab or gains are more limited to the average person, it's little more than good news headlines.
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JT, I don't think anybody who is being objective can be surprised by Trump's poll numbers so far. But what will be very interesting will be the reasonings attributed to any rise in polling numbers: Are they rising now because people are getting more money from their paycheck's? Are they rising now because people are realizing what he has been through and are more sympathetic to him now (this is happening with some congressional republicans). Whatever the reason given, it will be an accomplishment considering the efforts to smear him will certainly continue.

Why use the word pander. Is that how you see Shumer's actions? Is he pandering to illegals?

A large percentage of the population, in all economic classes stand to benefit from this tax reform act. There are some challenges that are coming in other areas of his economic policies that I am wondering how it will effect this country. But so far, the United States has hit a home run, and they are still batting.
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WalMart lays off 500 at headquarters:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ ... story.html
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Well I am glad to see that you are keeping it real, fair, and balanced. As I post good news, you and Leftyg can focus on posting bad news. At least, your being consistent. I remember this post regarding the last occupant of the white house.
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"UnitedHealth exiting two state markets"

UnitedHealth Group Inc., the largest U.S. health insurer, has decided to call it quits in two state Obamacare markets, in the latest challenge to President Barack Obama's health care overhaul. The Insurer won't sell plans for next year in Georgia and Arkansas, according to state insurance regulators. Tyler Mason, a UnitedHealth spokesman, confirmed the exits and declined to say whether the company would drop out of additional states. Many insurers have found it difficult to turn a profit in the new markets created by the Affordable Care Act, where individuals turned out to be more costly to care for than the companies expected.


But Why? Why would they do this? How could they do this? Remember Obamacare,/ The Affordable Care Act, has the subsidies and the mandates!

These losses occur despite a huge back-end subsidyRemember, this is with the subsidies and the mandates that insurers receive through a program that compensates them for much of the cost of their most expensive enrollees. So far, this program delivered nearly $16 billion to insurers — an amount close to 20 percent of total premiums.

But 2016 is the program’s last year, which means that premiums going forward will reflect the actual cost of the older and sicker population who enrolled. Therefore premiums will likely increase substantially for the second year in a row — making plans look even less attractive to younger and healthier people.
So the President only planned to pretend that his legacy legislative piece was affordable through 2016? And the insurers that were compelled to sign on were only willing to do so until the subsidies ran out.

Pssssss, Michaels, that wasn't JT's post, that was your post.

Oh, that's right, My bad. I guess I just thought that Leftyg and JuicedTruth would be consistent in their sharing of bad news. :roll: :roll:
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EXXON Mobil to invest $50 billion in US over 5 years, citing tax reform..... :lol: :lol: :lol:



Exxon in March said it would spend $20 billion to construct chemical, refining, lubricant and liquefied natural gas facilities along the coast. The company said at the time it aimed to create 12,000 permanent jobs on the back of the investment.


"These are quality investments for our shareholders that are made even better by tax reform," Woods said.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/29/exxon-m ... eform.html :o :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Chesapeake Energy lays off 13% of it's staff:

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Economy to grow at 5.4% rate in first quarter, Atlanta Fed tracker shows
The Atlanta Fed updated its rolling look at the U.S. economy, projecting that GDP would grow 5.4 percent in the first quarter.
If the forecast holds, it would be the strongest quarter since the economic recovery began and would more than double the typical annualized growth during the period.
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Stocks close higher for fifth straight session as Dow reclaims 25,000-level
Published: Feb 15, 2018

[quoteThe Dow rose to close above the 25,000 mark Thursday for the first time in nearly two weeks as U.S. stocks finished higher for a fifth straight session in volatile trade.

Wall Street opened solidly higher but subsequently lost ground before recouping losses, supported by the latest data on inflation and the labor market, which pointed to an economy that was growing but in no imminent danger of overheating. Strong results at Cisco also highlighted how American corporations continue to fare well in the current environment.

How did the main benchmarks perform?

The Dow Jones Industrial Average DJIA, +1.23% rose 306.88 points, or 1.2%, to 25,200.37. The S&P 500 SPX, +1.21% added 32.57 points, or 1.2%, to 2,731.20. The Nasdaq Composite COMP, +1.58% gained 112.81 points, or 1.6%, to 7,256.43.

So far this week, the Dow and the S&P are both up more than 4% and on track for their biggest weekly percentage rise since November 2016. The Nasdaq is up over 5%, which represents its best week since October 2014.][/quote]
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This is real news, and real progress. It is great news. Obama wanted people to believe that the days of United States prosperity were over, that we had to get used to his new normal's. To paraphrase an old line: The news of the United States death have been greatly exaggerated.

Obama created mdore jobs in his last 12 months than Trump created in his first 12 As a matter of fact Trumps first year was below the average of Obama's last six according to that communist rag Forbes Magazine https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones ... c3228825ab.
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Obama was a jerk, and if he is remembered for anything other than that it will because he paid a Madison Avenue firm millions of dollars for a PR campaign.
And if you compare, compare equally. Compare your jerk's last 12 months of job creation with President Trump's last 12 months.
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You will continue to compare this president with the previous occupant in the white house but as time goes on you will have less to celebrate. There is nothing for you to celebrate here yet I don't want you to have another relapse from your therapy.
Before you completely leave this reality, remember that I tried to encourage you to use an apples to apples approach in making comparisons. Comparing the last to the first of anything by the previous occupant in the white house to President Trump is not "apples to apples." Why didn't you compare the polling numbers to where President Trump is now, to the same time period of the previous occupant?

Trump’s approval rating tops Obama’s at same point in presidency
Why didn't you compare President Trump's reception at Davos to the previous occupant in the white house?

Davos Diary: Rock star Trump steals show at World Economic Forum.
Maybe it was because Obama never went to Davos?
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Toys R Us plans to liquidate, 33,000 jobs at risk.
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You can't cure poverty by creating more dependency ~~~~~

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LL Bean laying off 100 and no staff bonuses this year:

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RUSH: There’s some great economic news here today, ladies and gentlemen. Trump’s first-year economic growth is now officially at 2.3%. In Obama’s first year, the economy shrank 2.8%. This is a 5.1% turnaround in economic growth, from minus 2.8% to plus 2.3%. This is simply phenomenal — and remember, Obama was telling us that this was probably the new norm and we needed to get used to it and that his job was to be managing the decline so that the pain was evenly distributed.

The way I look at this is, “Of course the economy grew! We replaced a globalist socialist with a patriotic capitalist. We replaced somebody who doesn’t believe in American exceptionalism and greatness with someone who does.” This is stunning. A 5.1% turnaround! We’d have to have a grand total of 5.1% growth overall for these numbers to be accurate. “U.S. Jobless Claims Have Now Dropped to a More Than 45-Year Low.” “Payrolls Continue to Exceed Expectations. Unemployment Rate Nears the Lowest Since Late 2000.”

“Steady Employment Will Help to Sustain Consumer Spending” and so forth. “U.S. Jobless Claims Decline to Lowest in 45 Years.” Forty-five years! And CNN has a new poll out. “President Trump’s approval rating has rebounded to its highest level since the 100-day mark of his presidency,” basically a year ago. It’s a CNN poll conducted by SSRS. The interesting thing here is that Trump’s approval number in the CNN poll is up after the CBS 60 Minutes Stormy Daniels interview and the next-night replay on CNN.

The media is confounded and befuddled.

Financial Times: US Economic Growth Rate Revised Up to 2.9% in Fourth Quarter
Bloomberg: U.S. Jobless Claims Decline to Lowest Level Since January 1973
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Perhaps GM should switch to producing a model consumers actually want to buy.
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You could say that about any business that isn't doing well. How many sob stories did we have to hear under Obama about how oppressive the government is towards business? Most of the businesses failing then there were failing for reasons other than the government, regulation, and taxes. That all misses the point though...

It ultimately doesn't matter why the business is failing to the people its affecting. That area shifted from D to R substantially in 2016 and one of the areas best employers has cut 2,700 high-paying jobs, 64% of its workforce, since Trump took office. Some people in that area are acting like it's not a big deal because a HomeGoods distribution center wants to build there and create a couple hundred $10 / hour jobs. Trading $20-30 / hour jobs for $10 / hour jobs is not good. You don't need to be trade genius like Trump to figure that out!
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People in that area voted for Trump because all he said he'd bring good jobs back. That's not happening for the area. He can brag about how great the economy is doing, but the midwest that got him elected is not seeing the improvement. And for the Youngstown area that showed him more support than a Republican has ever gotten there, they are now losing some of their best jobs.
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CBS News Nation Tracker poll: Americans give Trump credit for good economy

I wonder what President Trump's former Wharton professor thinks of President Trump now? If the former professor thought that the student Trump was the dumbest student that he ever had; how well did this professor's smartest student's fare? Have any of these smart students accomplished anything near to what President Trump has?
Has this professor accomplished anything near to what President Trump has accomplished?
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https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics ... ty-factory

A good example of why stock prices aren't everything. Harley Davidson is cutting jobs, while investing money from tax savings in stock buybacks, which only help shareholders, not employees.
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For disclosure purposes this group should know that Michaels153 defended GWB for 8 years which caused the US to have conditions worse than the Great Depression before Obama took over, so an economist Michaels is not. If Michaels is going to be intellectually honest, just by using his metrics, Obama was a good president because he had a 140% jump in the stock market.. But of course I doubt he will admit that..
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I didn't say anything bad about trump or this economy but you have in the past blasted Obama for his economy. May I remind u GWB took a surplus and a great economy and by the time he left, the economy was worse then the great depression which Obama had to deal with.
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I didn't say that it Obama took over an economy that was worse than the great depression, Ben Bernanke said it.
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That is good news. I hope the trend continues. I am glad Trump is continuing the trend that Obama started..
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What lies have Trump's economic critics made about him? I watch MSNBC, and I see lots of charts graphs and factual data. I do not hear the word lie, unsubstantiated in a commentary like I do from the likes of Bab Frantz and most other far right commentators. They say liar and then never expose the lie. When has anybody lied about the presidents economic policies?
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Postby Mrtazeman » June 26th, 2018, 9:12 am

the stock market had nearly tripled under the Obama administration. And people like you were saying he is a communist that will destroy the economy..
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Postby Mrtazeman » July 7th, 2018, 10:13 am

I give Trump credit, he did things that help boost the economy, but let's not forget, when Obama took over after 8 years of Republican rule, 800k jobs per month was being lost... Trump had way better starting point than Obama. Easier to tweak the economy than to try to fix it from one of the worst economic conditions since the great depression. Some economist would say it was worse than the great depression..
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http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ ... story.html

Manufacture moves to Mexico, lays off 150 because of Trump's tariffs.
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Postby leftyg » August 16th, 2018, 2:21 pm

Michaels, Trump inherited a robust economy. Unemployment was at 4.8% when he took over; now it is 3.9%. That is merely a continuation of the Obama comeback. It is kind of like the scrubs coming into a basketball game half way thru the fourth quarter and adding to the 105-75 lead and ending the game with a 118-86 lead (because the other team threw in the towel and put in their scrubs too, and then LaVar Ball saying that his son and his teammates won by 32. So you are full of it with this braggadocio for your faux hero. The one remarkable thing he has not done is completely screw up which may not be true because of the tariffs; we will see how that turns out. JT has already given you a preview, so hold the smugness.

One of the dumbest arguments ever made was that Trump created 1.1 million jobs in his first six months and that Obama lost 3.4 million which proves absolutely nothing because Obama inherited the worst recession in American history, a likely depression, and Trump inherited six years of sustained job growth .
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When your supporters don't care about honesty or the truth, you can cherry pick whatever information you want and they'll gobble it down. To Trump supporters, "good economy = all Trump's doing". They couldn't care less about any context beyond that.

Remember when Republican's rushed to get behind the fiscally conservative Tea Party movement and the debt was going to destroy America? Well, the Republicans have completely abandoned caring about debt and will support any economic policy Trump presents. They are not rooted in any principle whatsoever and just follow whatever wind is blowing the hardest. That's gotta be difficult considering how many of them are so full of hot air :lol:
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Youth Unemployment Hits 52-Year Low
Data suggest more opportunities are available to some groups that historically struggled to find jobs

By Andrew Duehren
Aug. 16, 2018


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Walmart executives believe that the economy is the best for their customers in decades, according to an analyst who spoke with Bloomberg News’ Joe Weisenthal.

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Scott Mushkin, retail analyst at Wolfe Research, just said on #WDYM that based on his conversations, Walmart executives believe that right now is the best economy for their customers that they've seen in two decades.

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[quoteThe Nasdaq composite hit an all-time high Monday morning amid news of a restructured NAFTA deal; breaking 8,000 points and inching up 0.6% after negotiators confirmed a revamped agreement was just hours away.

“The Nasdaq Composite climbed 0.6 percent to an all-time high, breaking above 8,000 for the first time, as Facebook, Amazon, Netflix, and Alphabet. The Dow Jones Industrial Average rose 214 points as Caterpillar outperformed. The S&P 500 gained 0.6 percent to hit a record high with materials and financials as the best-performing sectors,” writes CNBC.

“The market has been buffeted with a lot of headwinds lately, and the biggest one is traded,” said one industry insider. “If you were to take trade out of the picture, you would have a smoother ride higher in this market.”

The ‘NEW NAFTA’ would center on easing tariffs and limitations on the American automobile and agricultural sectors; two key barriers blasted by President Trump throughout the 2016 campaign.

Read the full story at CNBC.][/quote]



The broad index rose 0.2 percent and reached an intraday record of 2,873.23, surpassing a high reached on Jan. 26
The bull market turns 3,453 days old on Wednesday, which would make it the longest on record by most definitions. On Tuesday, it tied the one that ran from October 1990 to March 2000.
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Postby Michaels153 » September 6th, 2018, 9:28 pm

Even among speculation of escalated trade wars, questions about the state of Canada in the New NAFTA trade agreement with Mexico, and an almost certain interest rate hike expected this month; the economy is still growing, with unemployment at 3.9%. Here are a couple of recent headlines.

U.S. Worker Productivity Rose in Spring at Best Pace Since 2015 - The Wall Street Journal
Layoff's Reach a Half-Century low - Wall Street Journal
American Factories are Humming - Wall Street Journal I recently read of a manufacturer saying he has trouble finding qualified workers to fill a job that pays $72k

In spite of the good news, there are certain forces at work that could bring our economy to an undetermined stall. Some of these factors including inflation, have been affecting the European and Asian markets.
I am always concerned about inflation, which is rising. But now our economy suffers from idiotic reporters like the one who reported off the record comments that derailed Canada's entering into the recently revised agreement with Mexico. Some of these reporters work for irresponsible rags more interested in waging war on President Trump than concern for the general welfare of the citizens of this country, while some are waging their own little resistance to this administration and to the GOP. Some of these reporters writing on the economy don't have a good grasp on identifying and reporting on real financial issues, or are looking at making a name for themselves by hyping the trending.
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President Trump's tight labor market wins U.S. construction workers higher wages.
American construction workers are seeing their wages rise in the blue collar industry as President Trump’s “Buy American, Hire American” tightened labor market forces business to find and employ disenfranchised U.S. workers, rather than importing foreign workers.
A recent report by the Miami Herald chronicled the rise in wages and business having to adapt to an economy with a tight labor market as immigration enforcement has been increased and unemployment has hit record lows.

As admitted in the Miami Herald by industry insiders, the tight labor market has secured jobs for Americans willing to do the blue collar work and won them higher wages in the process.

With 243,000 open jobs construction jobs nationwide, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics — and more than 500 listed by local ABC members — South Florida has become a worker’s market, said Peggy Marker, president of Fort Lauderdale-based Marker Construction, “the employees are in a position where they are interviewing us as much as we are interviewing them.”

As a result, 95 percent of those who come to ABC looking to learn a trade are matched with a job — experienced or not. “The reason it’s not 100 percent is that not everybody that walks through the door is serious,” Dyga said. “That’s how acute the shortage is.” [Emphasis added]

“The primary things that people see during a labor shortage is rising wages and the need for people to train more folks,” said Wade Helms, president of Edd Helms Group, which performs HVAC — heating, ventilation and air conditioning — and electrical work. “The projects get built, they just take longer.” [Emphasis added]

Trump’s tightened labor market has shifted the burden of the economy away from American workers — who are forced to compete for U.S. jobs in many states against cheaper, illegal aliens — and towards business that now must look for and employ Americans they would have previously passed on to hire foreign workers instead.


Through tariffs, Trump has secured higher wages for workers in counties like Peoria County, Illinois, which has led the nation in wage hikes thanks to a manufacturing boom, the result of protective tariffs to keep steel and aluminum jobs in the U.S.

In the most famous case, 600 jobs were secured for black Americans and wages were increased in February when ICE raided the Cloverhill Bakery in northwest Chicago, Illinois. Black Americans’ wages rose 25 cents thanks to enforcement.

Most recently, the tight labor market helped reintegrate retirees back into the workforce. Breitbart News has also reported extensively on how the tight labor market in Trump’s “hire American” economy has brought new job opportunities for Americans with disabilities and helped lower the demographic group’s unemployment rate.

There has also been history-making wage growth for American workers in the construction industry, the garment industry, for workers employed at small businesses, black Americans, and restaurant workers.

The tight labor market has also secured higher wages for overtime workers and high-paying, coveted white-collar jobs for American teenagers. Most recently, Breitbart News reported that the construction industry has had to recruit women to take jobs at higher wages rather than hiring illegal aliens. A Chick-Fil-A in California has even raised wages to $18 an hour to retain wo
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Postby leftyg » September 10th, 2018, 3:23 pm

It would be nice to know what some of those lies and policies were. I hear a lot of smack talked but not a lot of fact to back it up. Shep Smith is the only honest one at Fox :roll: .

The reason Trump is president is because there are a lot of loony people in this country who finally came out of the closet.

Btw, Trump inherited an excellent economy where unemployment is down. He should not take credit for it; he should thank Obama for leaving him in great shape.

Also, numbers do not lie. I think that the deficit from the foolish tax cut is going to hurt the country. Anybody who knows anything about economics knows that you do not give tax cuts during an expansion.
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The fact that the economy is doing so well, while Trump's approval rating is very low and Republicans stand to lose control of the House they gerrymandered their control of, tells you how much people credit the economy with current leadership.
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Postby Mrtazeman » September 12th, 2018, 5:32 am

The economy was doing well when President Trump took it over. I thought the budget deficit will go down when the repubs took control:


U.S. budget deficit widens to fifth-highest ever, CBO reports
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Published: Sept 11, 2018 10:36 a.m. ET



The numbers: The U.S. budget deficit in August was $211 billion, nearly double the gap during the year-ago month, the Congressional Budget Office estimated late Monday.

Adjusted for shifts in the timing of payments that otherwise would have occurred on a weekend of holiday, the deficit would have grown by 19%. The Treasury Department will report final official numbers on Thursday, and they are usually very similar to the CBO’s.

What happened: Excluding timing shifts, outlays grew 8%, as the net interest on public debt jumped 25%, defense spending jumped 10%, outlays for Social Security grew 5%, and outlays for Medicare benefits rose 7%. There also was an Agriculture Department downward adjustment made in the year-ago August. One boost to government finances was an increase in spectrum payments to the Federal Communications Commission.
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If these trend continues its going to be hard for the dems to win..
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Was the economy not better off after Obama took office than before?
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Not from my perspective.
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Postby Mrtazeman » October 2nd, 2018, 3:44 pm

There is not one economist that would say we weren't better off after Obama left office than before he took office..

Every key economic metric that you give credit for Trump, Obama has accomplished it as well.
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You first asked me: "Was the economy not better off after Obama took office than before? And I said not from my perspective. Leftyg said that my answer was pure ideology, and an example of truthiness. I explained that as my answer was from my perspective, it could not be wrong. You could point out statistics and then argue - X and that would be a starting point for that statistic. But my perspective is more than one of yours or Leftyg's metrics. Unemployment is only one metric of an economy. It is a big metric, but still "one metric." I have expanded a little here to Leftyg's challenge of no evidence but I had already stated some of this in this thread alone:
First, in my January 16th post I provided a link to how David Stockman broke down Obama's unemployment numbers by job hours. This was important because John Crudele noted that the Census was "inexplicably hiring and firing temporary workers. He suspected that this turnover of employees was being done to boost the number of new jobs being reported each month. Remember that Mr. Crudele informed us of the fabricating of data that went into the unemployment report by an employee in the Census Bureau. By breaking down jobs into hours, as Mr. Stockman did, you could contrast the number of employed jobs reported with the actual hours work.
In "Evidence FBI not Russians meddled in election I posted the reference link to Mr. Limbaugh's "Obama's unemployment sleight of hand.

Now as to your statement: "Every key economic metric that you give credit for Trump, Obama has accomplished it as well." Well that is not true. The biggest one is that of the number of Americans working. See my July 7th post in this thread. Obama does hold a record that President Trump has not matched. - The number of people on food stamps.
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Postby Mrtazeman » October 2nd, 2018, 8:33 pm

Yea, don't know what you are using for a bench mark but when Obama took over, by the time Obama took over unemployment rate was over 10%, the U.S. Economy was losing over 800k jobs per month, about 20k homes was going into foreclosure, manufacturing industry was at a stand still, auto industry was going bankrupt, banking industry was bankruot, stock market was at a free fall, and s bunch of Retired people had no choice but to go back to work like places at Walmart. Trump didn't have to deal with the worst economy since the Great Depression.

BTW, Bob Frantz back then blamed the housing crises in a bunch of Lazy Liberals who didn't want to get up for work and pay their mortgage..

Like I said u can't find one economist who will claim that things got worse under Obama.
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Mrtazeman, this is not my "bench mark' but it is a pretty balanced though short assessment on Obama's fiscal record.

Debunking Obama's Fiscal Record
Some see Trump's predecessor as having returned fiscal discipline to Washington. They're wrong.
By Brian Riedl Opinion ContributorOct. 2, 2017, at 10:50 a.m.



Mrtazeman said: "Like I said u can't find one economist who will claim that things got worse under Obama"
I don't think I could find a economist who could guarantee a single economic measurement during Obama's occupation of the White House was accurate.
And while you want to give Obama credit for what you think he inherited, why don't you look closer at what he did when he was in office. You brought up The Great Depression. Did you know that Youth unemployment had been above 23% for 34 months, or that the Obama administration promised us that with the passage of the stimulus bill in 2009, the unemployment rate would never reach 8%? Yet during his presidency the unemployment rate was above 8% for so long that it can accurately and truthfully be said that the unemployment rate had not been that high for so long since the Great Depression. (Obama's Orwellian Unemployment numbers.)
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Michaels said: I don't act in any manner that would place people in such a needy position. It was not my actions that cost people jobs and put them in a position where they were eligible for food stamps.

Obama can't say that.
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As of noon today, 10/3/18, The Dow Jones was over 26,900.
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GWB was a good president and he is a good man.
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Michaels,

Now you are showing your bias. Even President Trump was ripping on GWB as a President. I am sure he was a good man though. Dickless Channey was his downfall.
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According to the Hill
https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/404590-president-trumps-woman-problem-may-cost-the-gop-the-house

So you should not listen to Rush Limbaugh; he feeds ear candy to the base, and no one is more base than you. Obama was putting up these job numbers every month when he was digging the Bush economy out of the abyss. https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000

Yes Trump continued Obama's success, but he no more created this economy than he created his own fortune. His father Fred left him on third base and Obama left him on third base with the country, and he thinks he hit two triples. https://mic.com/articles/191665/donald- ... .aqFePC6JX
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You should stop telling people what they should do. Should I stop using references from CNBC or only stop when they print out the good numbers of this economy.
Obama could never approach the success that President Trump is achieving even if he had a seeing eye dog leading him. And if Obama followed President Trump, this country would probably take a nosedive into the toilet because he still would not have any answers.
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You said that the economy was better off under GWB than Obama, yet what you are providing to prove your point is supplemental explanation about trump..
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Actually i dont care what poll you can find. Obama was a stain in the history of mankind and in the years ahead he will be seen less and less favorably and more and more as a failure.
Leftyg you and Juiced Truth said i didn't know the basic facts about Hilary's server, tried to mock me when i asked for your source, and then i blew you both apart with the evidence.
You said i had no evidence that Obama cooked the books on his unemployment numbers. And then i show you the evidence.
And what did you do after seeing the evidence that Obama cooked the unemployment numbers? You said nothing about the evidence. Instead you scurried about to find a poll that places Obama above President Trump. That is a joke. With all the evidence presented thus far showing President Trump surpassing everything that Obama tried economically. All your left with is buts. But this poll says x. Not persuasive. And as a joke, almost funny.
Looking forward to the next time you say i have no evience.
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This is the way to cook the books, try to reclassify fast food jobs as manufacturing job. Yes, GWB people tried to do that...

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I see no reason to repeat the evidence on Obama that i have already posted. If you want to just review my posts and search Obama go right ahead.
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Of course ‘the world’ likes Obama.
He’s a globalist and an apologist for the USA.
A man wants to have sex or he doesn't.
If he doesn't, its like trying to put a marshmallow into a parking meter.
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Scorp,

Your honest opinion, if Obama said he and Jong Un ‘Fell in Love’ , What would you and right wing media would say about that?

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-says ... 1538336604
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Postby JuicedTruth » October 10th, 2018, 9:24 pm

Hillarious, Michaels. By your own timeline, Obama outperformed Trump :lol:

Point gains / losses don't matter with stocks. The part that matters is percentage gained or lossed.

Trump is about 30.5% at this point in his presidency, which is impressive. Obama was at almost 35% at this point in 2010.

Over Obama's 8 years, the market increased nearly 150%.

There's still a long ways to go and I don't think it's ever smart to pin your success as a president on something as uncontrollable as the stock market.
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Leftyg, by my "own timeline" Obama did not out perfom President Trump. JT found another way of looking at the stock market. Did. The stock market increase by more than 5000 points under Obama in any year of his presidency, - no it didn't.
Did the stock market increase in nine of the first ten months of Obama's presidency, - no it didn't.
But if Obama had a faster stock market increase over x amount of days than President Trump then so be it. It is like you found it a penny on the street and thinking you hit the jackpot.
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But Trump didn't have to deal with one of the worst economies since the great depression when he came into office
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I said the truth, he did had some of the largest tax increasing for a non war time president at that time.

I did not say that what you posted was a lie. I said what you did was sad because you left out the context of his tax increase.
Do you want to measure the accomplishments of Reagan versus what Obama didn't accomplish? Then start your own thread and I will address your post.
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Michaels153, you sound crazy when you claim Bush was a great president and Obama was one of the worst. No facts back you up..
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Who says I have no argument- You? Mrtazeman? And how did you two geniuses come to that conclusion? Because I don't respond to everything you "geniuses" say; it does not follow that I have no argument for something. - [That is called a non-sequitur.]
How is "my back "up against the wall"? :lol: The world has watched your party lie about President Trump since he started campaigning for the Presidency. The U.S. public has seen your party endlessly try to incite divisions and infighting. There is no reason that anyone should listen to your party or believe anything your party says.

[quote= "leftyg"]Yeah you showed a poll where Reagan was 9th and Obama 12th. I saw that poll, but mine was a different one by political scientists.[/quote]
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[/quote]Here is the thing Michaels: why don't you revisit these situations and tell me what they are? I have a better idea Leftyg. Why don't you go back and revisit the posts (of your downfall), take notes, and then dedicate yourself, make a commitment not to repeat your lies.! And do it before we have to call an intervention for you :o
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Michaels, here is the problem: I have not lied; I just don't agree with you. And not agreeing with Michaels is not a lie. You may not understand that, but rational readers will. I looked at the comments in the thread, and my comments were not lies; they were points of disagreement.. You even said that my thread dedicated to Bob Frantz is wrong which I, of course, disagree with. He lies to his audience by giving them information that is not true and I can cite it which is a good thing. I hold Frantz's feet to the fire for these actual lies like 3084 of 30141 counties voted for Trump in the 2016 presidential election; that was not true. He also said that Ronald Reagan created 19.2 million jobs in his first two years in office; he actually lost three million. He said that in August 2015. BTW he said an awful lot more. This is just a sample to make a point

And I also address his vicious personal assaults on people like Hillary Clinton which he made on August 28, 2015 (that was recently taken down) and his gas lighting of his listeners over police shootings like that of Tamir Rice.

Look what you pointed to was a difference of opinion, not a lie.

I want you to try this on for size: Jason Isbell, a famous Nashville folk-country singer says "Jesus would not have voted for Donald Trump." Is that a lie or a difference of opinion? https://www.theguardian.com/music/2018/ ... yman-trump

I think you use the term lie way too loosely and inappropriately.
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i said something that I didn't.

“Thop
u shalt not bear false witness” forbids: “1. Speaking falsely in any matter, lying, equivocating, and any way devising and designing to deceive our neighbor. 2. Speaking unjustly against our neighbor, to the prejudice of his reputation; and (which involves the guilty of both).
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This is coming from someone who supports a President who bangs porn chicks while his wife is giving birth.. lol, only in America
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Here’s a reminder that stock-market corrections don’t always become bear markets
By Sue Chang, Market's reporter
Published: Oct 28, 2018 8:29 a.m. ET


Opinion: Don’t sell now — we’re not heading into a bear market for stocks
By Michael Brush, columnist
Published: Oct 28, 2018


This is the best time to buy stocks since Trump’s election, says Wells Fargo
By BARBARA KOLLMEYER
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Published: Oct 26, 2018 9:33 a.m. ET
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Postby Mrtazeman » December 1st, 2018, 9:26 am

Michaels are you or are you not trying to make the case the federal reserve was supporting Obama economy and now they are trying to ruin Trumps Economy?

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Were we not better off after 8 years of Obama than before he took office?
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Postby JuicedTruth » December 5th, 2018, 10:12 am

Low inflation rates during a surging economy is a recipe for inflation. We see it in housing, we see it in the stock market, and we see it in private equity markets. It's very hard to get a good rate of return outside of stocks, real estate, and similar investments, so all kinds of money is getting funneled there, raising those prices up. That's a huge reason why the stock market is so high and has been so reactive to interest rate news.
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Postby leftyg » December 10th, 2018, 12:45 pm

Pretty good article. It cites the problem that as an economy gets to utter full employment, there is a fear in the investor class that wages will skyrocket. So a leader promoting jobs is damned if he does and damned if he does not. But, I would like somebody to find out what things were like in the 1920's, before the market collapse. I think there were similar dynamics then too. This was interesting analysis. The brexit stuff too.
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Postby Michaels153 » December 12th, 2018, 9:14 am

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I can't help you with the historical analysis of what it looked like in the 1920's before the crash, but I have been thinking about what has been going on and have tried to incorporate that with what I have seen throughout my lifetime about the stock market. (This is not a scientific analysis, just some fanciful speculation based on observations).
Lets pretend that you are a CEO of a Fortune 500 company and have 20 years of experience in your field. Let's also add, that during the years you have come to know several other CEO's who share similar experience in their field. Many of you have decided to meet on a regular basis maybe to play poker or just for dinner and drinks. Now at your meetings you discuss business and trends in business. Just like there are software packages that help the everyday Joe to read the market's and to help them make decisions about investing; you and your friends know the different types of customers, and investors habits. Maybe your group have and share algorithms on these habits and trends divided by certain days, and classes so that you know how an average trading day looks during the week per model individuals and groups.
As powerful and as influential as you are, you know that many people in the stock markets watch you and your actions very closely. It would be fair to say that many of their actions are based upon what you do and say, and probably some of what your thinking about. Suppose you take this information and decide to use it to your advantage by initiating trends like talks of mergers and sell off's of part of your company or certain divisions of the assets you control? You and your friends know that when there are talks like this or sell off trends, you know what the typical investor or fund manager will do. If there is a sell off, you know approximately how much will sell off and what the market value of the stock will change to. You know how many days to wait, and when it would be best to go back and pick up those stocks that sold, (at a lower price) and by doing this you can increase the financial strength of your own company.
Perhaps after doing this on occasion you come to realize that this is not very difficult nor risky and that you can stage these events periodically. Perhaps your friends suggest that they do the same also on a periodic basis which serves as additional viewpoints in the field and fuels more speculation and more risk taking by investors and fund manager's.
Now I do not know how many CEO's it would take to pull off these market swings, but I do know that it could become so commonplace that it occurs throughout the year.
I have observed over the years some of what I consider to be the most absurd reasons to do certain things in the stock markets. (Future's speculations and Commodities especially) To me, to see such absurdities over and over again make no sense unless it is accepted that there is a very real possibility that at least some of these absurdities are planned for what I have suggested) Any how, that is how I have come to view these happenings.
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This morning, all of our markets ( I do not follow the European/Asian markets)are in the green and rising, which means absolutely nothing until the markets close at the end of the day.
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It gets sillier and sillier and the explanations explain nothing. The United States economy is strong, don't just accept or reject what I am saying, look outside for yourself. Amazon is using professional head hunters to find more head hunters, to find more workers both in house and those that can work at home, and they are still having a hard time keeping up with the demand.
Travel has not been detrimentally impacted by any of the speculation on Wall Street. Consumer confidence level dropped 2.9 since October but it is still high.
Wall Street has more mixed messages although the general feelings are more somber with many feel that the Bull is over and the Bear is beginning.
Among what may be considered as a positive is the feeling that we may experience a "dirty rally" after the holidays due to the recent sell off of stocks.

Historically, such a rally has lead to a bull market, but usually it is only a short temporary investor frenzy. Dirty rally's are one of the reasons why I believe the markets can be artificially manipulated by some as I discussed in my previous post.
Among the negative is the general feeling that the Fed is much to blame for the continued decline in the stock market (although what we are experiencing has been what the global markets have been doing for a while now.)due to their rate hikes And, they just added their 4th hike of the year. I know the Fed thinks that one of the positives that may result from their most recent hike is to calm the market volatility, and there is I believe some reason to believe in this. As the huge bargains dwindle the market is faced with the reality of doing as much as they can with less and this often leads to smaller buys and longer holds. (what some would categorize as a more sane approach to investing.)


Published: Dec 19, 2018
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Peter Schiff says we’re not in a bear market, ‘we’re in a house of cards that the Fed built’
Published: Dec 19, 2018 5:34 p.m. ET

Doing something is by itself proof that it can be done. It reminds me of Babe Ruth's called shot where he hit a home run off of Charlie Root. The Cubs had been riding Ruth during this series and Root supposedly pitched to Ruth as if he was not afraid of Ruth anymore.
I think that the market will return to a steady, (but slower growth) next year. I don't have any predictions about what our GDP is going to look like. I wish somebody had asked that question to the Fed when they were explaining their decision to raise rates again.
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Postby Mrtazeman » December 22nd, 2018, 10:52 am

When a recession hits the feds usually lowers the interest rates. If there is a downturn in the economy and the interest rate is at or near zero, they will be helpless to do anything about fixing the economy.
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Ngoài ra với Phần mềm kế toán ATCS Anh/Chị … có thể tự tạo mẫu hóa đơn và quản lý việc tự in hóa đơn theo Nghị Định 51 của Tổng Cục Thuế.

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Ngoài ra với Phần mềm kế toán ATCS Anh/Chị … có thể tự tạo mẫu hóa đơn và quản lý việc tự in hóa đơn theo Nghị Định 51 của Tổng Cục Thuế.

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Postby Michaels153 » December 25th, 2018, 11:12 am

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Postby Mrtazeman » December 25th, 2018, 4:57 pm

[quote]it just seems that the rate hikes have not helped the economy and were arguably not necessary. [quote]

It also seems that a strong economy can handle these small interest rate increases. It is still relatively cheap to borrow money

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Re: As Dow Sets Another Record High, Leftists Continue to Re

Postby leftyg » December 28th, 2018, 7:58 pm

Why should Powell's actions be reversed? The biggest problem is Trump talking about it. That puts the market in a panic. I have never seen a president like this. The man is a disaster.
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Postby Michaels153 » December 28th, 2018, 9:03 pm

Powells actions (not words) can be traced to the market going down as the article noted. It was not President Trump's words that raised the rates. If it were just President Trumps words that held all the power of action then a lot of positive events would already have happened. Is your dislike of President Trump so all consuming that you would rather a great many americans suffer than for Powell to reverse his actions?
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Postby leftyg » December 29th, 2018, 12:49 am

Fed Chairman Powell did what he should have done. The job of the Fed is not to have a Stable economy.
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Re: As Dow Sets Another Record High, Leftists Continue to Re

Postby Mrtazeman » December 29th, 2018, 8:21 am

. Is your dislike of President Trump so all consuming that you would rather a great many americans suffer than for Powell to reverse his actions?

Once again Powell was appointed by Trump..
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Re: As Dow Sets Another Record High, Leftists Continue to Re

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Postby leftyg » December 29th, 2018, 4:45 pm

i figured that is what you meant. Does anybody think that Powell's actions have stabilized our economy?
/we have to view it in the long term. What I think is absolutely true is that President Trump's constant whining has not helped. His intrusion into these matters is troubling. He should keep his nose out of this and the Mueller investigation.
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Re: As Dow Sets Another Record High, Leftists Continue to Re

Postby Mrtazeman » January 6th, 2019, 9:11 am

It's funny, if you listen to a republican their only economic plan, no matter what the conditions are, is to lower taxes (especially for the wealthy) and deregulate. This is why I cringe when they say they are business people because knowledgeable business people adjust their business models appropriately based on the circumstances. Progressives has cut taxes and increased taxes when needed..
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Postby Mrtazeman » January 9th, 2019, 10:32 pm

Yea republicans are a one solution (huge cuts for the wealthy) fits all problems party. You should have asked your friend if tax cut works then we should cut taxes to 0. This is why I am progressive, they look at tax rates as a sliding scale. They will increase when needed and decrease when needed. Grover Norquist had a bunch of republicans sign a pledge that they will NEVER increase taxes.. BTW, this is marginal tax rates. Bob is lying by saying they will tax the rich 70%..
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Re: As Dow Sets Another Record High, Leftists Continue to Re

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Postby Mrtazeman » January 10th, 2019, 7:51 am

Thanks Lefty for explaining that. The simpletons that are listening to Bob Frantz are thinking that the very wealthy wont create jobs bc All their income will be taxed at 70%, but the truth is with a progressive tax system only a small portion of their income will be taxed at 70% and not all of it.
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The longest job-creation streak in modern U.S. history continues despite the recent government shutdown.

Yea, continues from the Obama administration.. So how is GWB record better than Obama's again?
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Postby Mrtazeman » April 16th, 2019, 12:25 pm

Simple question:

If President Trump had a choice of whose economy he could inherit, would it be George W. Bush's Economy or would he want to keep Obama's economy that he took over??
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Simple answer:
If i see or talk to the President I will ask him that.
And if you see or talk to President Trump before I do you can ask him.
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Lol, Ill answer it. He would prefer to take over Obama's economy. You r such a good republican warrior..
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That is Great Michaels153. Then you must be impressed by President Obama who came into office when the GDP was around negative three (-3) and and when Obama left office, his fourth quarter of the last year of Obama’s final term hit 3.5
percent..

And you must think President George W. Bush real sucked because he gets credit for the 5.4 percent contraction in the economy when he left..
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I am glad that Trump is able to continue on the positive economic trends that Obama started. If we were honest people, the deficit is worse off and that is one of the key economic metrics that right wingers used to claim that Obama was one of the worst presidents in history. Can we use the same standards??
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Rush Limbaugh is a community school dropout druggie who should be behind bars...
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Ha ha, glad you broke it down so that the average repub can comprehend it..
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I have a right wing friend who is in finance. Two months into Obama's presidency he declares that Obama is the worst president ever and that he is doing nothing right. When Obama left office the stock market more than doubled. I don't have him invest my money anymore and I don't take him seriously when he talks about the economy. Just like I don't take people seriously who believe that the economy was better under GWB than Obama..

Fox Business news called Obama a Communist among other things. Don't understand why any investor would watch that channel. You don't double the stock market if you want to turn the USA to USSR...
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GWB used a stimulus. Also if that was the case then why didn't Obama's economy crash and burn as Fix business assumed for 8 years of his presidency??
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Cato institute was founded as the Charles Koch Foundation.. hmm

What do you think they would say?? Like I said no one should take financial advise from you...
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I wish I did not have to work for a living, then I could devote unlimited time to dismantling this crud of yours that you keep pulling out of the closet. You got 600 signatures from OLD school Keynesian economists who favor a blanket minimum wage increase. Extending the blanket minimum wage, over any period of time only benefits unions who always negotiate their wages above the minimum wage. Raising the minimum wage by fiat, always penalizes some workers who will get their hours cut or lose their jobs. Obama could not get this minimum wage bill passed so instead he increased the wages for federal workers by fiat.
But if the stimulus works so well as your graph says, And you said that stimulus packages tend to work according to empirical research; then why didn't Obama's stimulus package work? It did not work according to Obama's own standards, and it did not work even by his own words!
Your "scholarly University of Chicago poll" was not even signed by everyone at the University of Chicago!!!.. They could only get 36 people to sign approval for a stimulus that they felt the benefits would eventually outweigh the costs! Eventually? Not at the time the simulus was passed, not during Obama's occupancy of the White House, but eventually!.
The scholars who signed the letter disagreeing with President Obama, was signed by:
BARRY CHISWICK, Univ. of Illinois at Chicago, JOHN COCHRANE, Univ. of Chicago, CHRISTOPHER CULP, Univ. of Chicago, EUGENE FAMA, Univ. of Chicago, MICHAEL GIBBS, Univ. of Chicago, DEIRDRE MCCLOSKEY, University of Illinois at Chicago, SAM PELTZMAN, Univ. of Chicago, HOUSTON STOKES, Univ. of Illinois at Chicago,...
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Can you send us any economist who agrees with you that GWB economy was better than Obama's?
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Leftyg,
Your not going to like the position I have taken about this because you are a liberal progressive. Why do we celebrate diversity which by definition is not equal? Why do progressives accept their own income without limits but wail about what they feel should be the limits of others (opposition party) income? Why is big Pharma bad, but Academic Universities big or small is okay? (Is the cost per credit hour the same for Cleveland State and Harvard?) Why is stratified income understandable and acceptable for minorities but not for anyone else. Why are the gains made by minorities acceptable and off limits from criticism but not for anyone else? Is that Progressive equality?
Why is cultural and the pursuit of individuality uniqueness in every area acceptable and encouraged without criticism, while income inequality is somehow strangely unfair and unacceptable?
What union can the restaurant worker join so that his pay is the same as a congressman, a doctor, or a lawyer? If income inequality is bad, why encourage the creation and maintenance of unions and institutions that implement it? Why is it acceptable to take from those who have more to give it those who have less? Why is it acceptable to criticize those who have more period since that is also a matter of diversity?
If everyone died at the same age (Logan's Run?)meaning everyone's life span was equal would that be satisfactory. Income inequality is a reality of life, but that does not mean it is a problem. Just as the identification of working magicians does not mean that magic is real. Income inequality, like the Gini index are tools of progressives who think that just because they can measure something they have identified a problem. But progressives have measured employment numbers and conclude if the employed do not match the exact percentage of the population then that is proof of racism. And if the employment numbers do match the exact percentage of the population, how is that diversity?
Income inequality is a reality but not a problem. Legal inequality is also a reality and it is a problem.
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Hello Leftyg.
We are in agreement and grounded in reality for the most part when discussing income inequality. I do not like to see the high costs of drugs or hospital services, or housing costs (where renters are throwing their money away). - Good reference from CBS news.
I think we are on the same wavelength regarding costs for colleges. I don't understand them. You can break it down like any other business or service by salaries and... etc.and I just can't see the justification in it's monopoly. I still believe that you should be able to take a test for most degrees, with or without actually going to the school. Not many people could do that nor want to, but it is one way of lowering costs.
Your right I was trying to describe what I see as absurd by being absurd. (Logan's Run). I was just pointing out that in spite of the push for "equality", most people do not really want it. The idea of everybody dying at the same age is one way to show that.
Now we come to the areas where personal ideologies have more of a chance to be criticized and result in reflexive defensive posturing. Let's try to avoid that.
By "take" i do mean, without choice, a tax. Taxes are necessary, but society is not just drifting from, but ignoring the legitimate use of taxation. Let's skip history lessons here and try to accept that as a legitimate perspective.
No way around the Gini index except to say that in our last discussion on this I pointed out that you can have a low Gini index in both extremes from a very poor country and a very rich country.
In both extremes the Gini index is not helpful. If a country is universally poor, it can't help each other. And if it is universally rich, it does not need to help each other. A large Gini index (on the silver lining side) indicates that there are possible avenues of resources to help. But that is sort of obvious.
There are no good short term solutions that will be found to be acceptable with progressives who see money as an unlimited resource. And to them, I remind them of the state of California, and remember the resources it has. All of those recources are not helping everyone. The inequality there, with all of their resources, and they still can not eliminate any social problem.
And regarding your numbers, which i find hyperbolic, its not that I (remember Christian, and retired Social Worker) am against safety nets, or welfare. I am against unlimited taxation for unsolvable problems. I was in agreement with Clinton's welfare reform plan. Obama came and wanted to do away with that plan just for his re-election. I am not defending greed or the powerful, but don't progressives give a pass to their wealthy friends? (I know we have discussed this previously).
I don't think of you as a Communist or a Socialist but progressives, and even old school liberals are more open to accepting practices that have found their home in Communism and by Socialists. I truly think that part of the reason that they do this is because they have run out of patience, and not because they can not see the problems in the ideas that they advocate.
From the New Deals to the War on Poverty. Work on efforts to help and reform our society were met with support to address problems and issues only to find growing criticisms when these efforts were not solving the problems they were intended to solve. While the left and progressives are easily seen to show their dissatisfaction and impatience with the status quo, Conservatives are also impatient in fruitless efforts. But they are also angered by Democratic actions that not only address the very problems they say they want to alleviate but are making these problems worse for selfish reasons. Last month Cher said that Los Angeles can't take care of its own, how can it take care of more immigrants.
Capitalism is I think, a better medium for a healthy society. It is not a perfect solution, but a healthier choice that offers more positives
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Thursday, July 11, 2019






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There is a phone ringing at CNBC. The caller ID has identified who it is as former White House occupant Barack Obama. Nobody is picking up the phone. Nobody is listening to him anymore.
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Postby Mrtazeman » July 15th, 2019, 12:09 pm

I am glad the dems are supporting Trump on the trade war..
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Postby Mrtazeman » August 15th, 2019, 7:08 am

Time to get out of the market? Or is wall Street wanting the market to drop so they can start buying up stocks for cheap?

Trade war is taking a toll but I am glad the US finally stoood up against China and corporate America
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Postby Michaels153 » August 16th, 2019, 1:04 am

Since I am not in the market and except for a 401k accoutnt was never in it, I really couldn't say to those who are in it and depend on it whether they should get out of the market. But there have always been safer investments that were not as subject to the whims of others as the stock market.
And although you may be sarcastic about this trade war, it is the right thing for us to do.
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Postby Mrtazeman » August 16th, 2019, 2:32 am

I am not being sarcastic about the trade war. I work in manufacturing since the early 90s and watched how once thriving communities get destroyed bc of all these jobs going over seas.

The key is winning this war and with that it comes short term sacrifices. I don't know why anyone would think this was going to be easy
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Postby Mrtazeman » August 24th, 2019, 8:27 am

I agree. It use to be you traded with another country because you couldn't produce what they had. The US can produce everything better than China.

Millions of brave Americans died for fighting wars to protect our freedom now Trump is asking these greedy corporations, that are making record profits, to show some patriotism and take a short term hit so we can win this war.. I hope they listen..
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Postby Mrtazeman » September 13th, 2019, 6:34 pm

It looks like China is hurting more than the U.S with this trade war
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Postby Michaels153 » October 9th, 2019, 2:35 pm


Powell says economic expansion can last, but there are risks
(Fed will begin increasing size of balance sheet in wake of recent stress in short-term markets, chairman says)
By Greg Robb

Powell says little to inspire confidence here. This is not the kind of message that investors like to hear. They want a heads up regardless of the type of news (good or bad).
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viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3742&p=44257&hilit=toys+r+us#p44257

Now I dont want to steal any thunder from Juiced Truth. I am sure that he was going to eventually get around to it, But Toy's R Us recently opened a store in New Jersey

https://video.foxnews.com/v/6109804099001/
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https://www.fool.com/investing/2017/12/ ... her-i.aspx
A Dow Jones Industrial Record: 5,000 Points Higher in Just 1 Year
That’s never happened before. But what does it mean? And what comes next?
Motley Fool Staff (the_motley_fool) Dec 23, 2017 at 12:05AM
Mac Greer: For the first time in its 121-year history, the Dow Jones Industrial Average has gone up more than 5,000 points in a year. That's the biggest annual points gain ever. Guys, the Dow has also closed at a record high 70 times this year.

Well it wasn't a fluke! For the second time in three years, the Dow Jones has gained more than 5000 points in one year.
from 18,332 to 28,346
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https://www.fool.com/investing/2017/12/ ... her-i.aspx
A Dow Jones Industrial Record: 5,000 Points Higher in Just 1 Year
That’s never happened before. But what does it mean? And what comes next?
Motley Fool Staff (the_motley_fool) Dec 23, 2017 at 12:05AM * Note the date; 12,23, 2017
Mac Greer: For the first time in its 121-year history, the Dow Jones Industrial Average has gone up more than 5,000 points in a year. That's the biggest annual points gain ever. Guys, the Dow has also closed at a record high 70 times this year.



The Left, The Democrats, the anti-Trumper's all predicted that the markets would fall and that President Trump would crash the economy.
In 2017, The Dow Jones did something that had never occurred in its 121 history when it gained more than 5,000 points in one year.
Why, how did it happen? The left tried to dismiss it as being nothing more than a novelty, something that happened in spite of President Trump and not because of the policy changes that he made in order to get our economy rolling again.
Were the Left, and the anti-Trumper's right? If they were right, and 2017 was nothing more than a fluke, nothing more than all the economic factors coming together perfectly for this to happen, then it would hardly be expected to ever occur again right?
Well the economy has surpassed that milestone. For the second time in three years,this economy under the prodding and direction given to it by President Trump, who is not a life long politician, this economy is healthy again.
In 2019, the S&P 500 gained 720.75, the Nasdaq gained 2,307.66, and the Dow Jones gained 5,192.20!
Under previous President Obama, the Dow Jones gained 8,707 in eight years. Under President Trump, the Dow Jones has gained 10,206.44 in 3 years.
Now think about that. Does anybody really want to return to the economic policies of Obama?
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[quote="leftyg"][size=150]First Michaels your chart on job creation is a study in intellectual dishonesty. You have to compare Trump's first 37 months with Obama's last, not his first. No, that is how you compare things. I compare the first three to the first three. It is called apples to apples. You want to compare President Trumps first three years to Obamas years six, seven, and eight. You should know that nothing pisses me off as much as the balatant and stupid misuse of statitistics and numbers. You hate it and yet you regularly do it because your a hypocrite. I hate it in sports and I hate it in economic analysis. [color=#FF0000]It really distresses me when you hate somthing snowflake. Your the biggest idiot on this forum followed by your lapdog Real.
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Outspoken Wall Street bond whiz says the stock market is acting ‘dysfunctional’ and may hit rock bottom once we take out March’s low
Published: April 2, 2020 at 8:05 a.m. ET
By Mark DeCambre

I don't have any right to tell people what to do with their own money but I will say that people invested in the stock market right now are pretty vulnerable to
the whims and manipulations of just enough people for this milking run. If you can hang in there, that may be the best you can do. A lot of people are hoping for and expecting more sell off's, and now they have added the Covid 19 virus as a reason for the continuing volatility.
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Leftyg: "
So now I know I can compare the Obama presidency with the Trump presidency, and we can definitively say that Trump is responsible for much more job loss."

No Leftyg. Now you "know" no more and seemingl less than your last post. Now you will just continue to post whatever you feel like.
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Powell expects ‘robust’ recovery once coronavirus is under control
Published: April 9, 2020
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Fed chairman vows to act aggressively until central bank confident the economy is ‘solidly on the road to recovery
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..."The Dow Jones Industrial Average rose 513 points, or 2.19 percent, putting the index on track for its best week since 1938 as markets are closed Friday in observance of Good Friday. The S&P 500 and Nasdaq Composite were higher by 2.14 perent and 1.14 percent, respectively.
The benchmark S&P 500 on Wednesday exited its bear market that began on March 12, making it the second shortest in history." - Fox Business News.
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There is nothing seriously wrong with the economy right now. There are legitimate concerns in housing, and the prolong stay at home quarantine throughout the country is hurting us. But Chairman Powell has good reason to believe that our economy will come back strong after this pandemic crisis.
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The US economy has wiped out all the job gains since the Great Recession
PUBLISHED THU, APR 23 20208
By Thomas Franck

At some point we know that CNBC will correct this article. They will say that the US economy did not wipe out all the the job gains since the Great Recession, they will correctly state that the Covid-19 virus from China, wiped out all the job gains since the Great Recession.
...Okay, maybe they won't make that correction, but honest people know that they should because our economy did not wipe itself out.
With plenty of help from ambitious politicians more interested in securing their positions and possibly damaging President Trump so that Mr. Biden has a chance at becoming the next president, our economy effectively had people jumping on all the brakes they could find to stop our economy.
Stop with your preset, default protest, proclaiming what you did or contributed to the slowing of this economy was for the best interests of all. That's a lie.

When this mass hysteria over the pandemic has abated, our economy will start moving with a sure and steady drive to where it was before this started. Like the beginning of the six million dollar man show narrative, we have the technology, we have the plans, the blueprints, and the evidence that showed that we know how to get our economy vibrantly moving and growing. Unfortunately, the return will most likely be slower then we would like it to be.
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