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Why Fox News cant be Trusted

Postby Mrtazeman » March 19th, 2020, 11:36 am

I lost my dad to Fox news. He spends half of his day watching it and is an angry old man who thinks liberals want to take his money..

https://crooksandliars.com/2020/03/wapo ... -news-then
https://crooksandliars.com/2020/03/wapo ... -news-then

Reminds me of how the right wing networks had all their news anchor read from the same script that they are fair and balanced at the same time...
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Re: Why Fox News cant be Trusted

Postby Michaels153 » March 19th, 2020, 12:23 pm

Mrtazeman
Rush has been broadcasting liberal news montages for a long time. These clips include the same theme and even the same cue word so while you may not like fox news, "left wing networks have their news anchors read from the same script."
As far as right wing networks being wrong in making predictions, again the left makes predictions that do not turn out to be true.
But as far as fox calling themselves fair and balanced, I think they are. As far as polls go as to what do listeners think of the various networks, I think the polls have been showing that they trust Fox news more than the other networks. Now the left would never question those polls if the polls favored them and people said that they trust CNN more than the other networks. So now, when the polls do not show that, it is poor taste do claim that the reason more people like Fox more than X networks is because they are: and fill in your own demeaning characterization here.
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Postby leftyg » March 20th, 2020, 11:41 am

Thanks Real, it was pitch perfect. Now our resident conservative said liberals do it too. The problem is that unlike you, he never proves anything; he just says it. When you have great beautiful evidence, post it; don't gobbledegook it in a seas of words. do it simply the way Real did and you will get a much better listening,
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Postby Michaels153 » March 20th, 2020, 10:02 pm

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Postby leftyg » March 22nd, 2020, 5:42 pm

Michaels, Polonius said in Hamlet that "brevity is the soul of wit." What works best on here or anywhere are succinct statements that are then supported by fact. The only reason to get bogged down in long cut and paste articles is to try and befuddle and obfuscate (baffle 'em with bullshit). Try to make posts as short as they can be. I mean, I am not talking about lots of the dreck on the internet, but I am making a plea for simplicity.
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Re: Why Fox News cant be Trusted

Postby Michaels153 » March 31st, 2020, 12:16 pm


Tucker Carlson: "Obedient" Media Flunkies Repeat Democratic Talking Points Like "Shih Tzus Begging For A Snack"
Posted By Ian Schwartz
January 10, 2019
The key word for the day: "Manufactured"


Montage: Mainstream Media Hype About Russia Collusion
Posted By Tim Hains
On Date March 25, 2019


Limbaugh: Trump Pushes Back Against Leftist Premises And Throws It Right Back Down Their Throats
Posted By Ian Schwartz
April 2, 2018
The theme here is "mean spirited", regarding food lunch program


'The Walls Are Closing In’: Cable Journalists Chant Dems' New Mantra Five Times a Day
By Bill D'Agostino
December 20, 2018
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Re: Why Fox News cant be Trusted

Postby Michaels153 » April 7th, 2020, 10:33 am

Hello, anybody out there?
Hello Mrtazeman,
Hello Leftyg, ....

crickets.
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Re: Why Fox News cant be Trusted

Postby leftyg » April 11th, 2020, 5:11 pm

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Postby Michaels153 » April 12th, 2020, 3:26 pm

Leftyg,
Look at the last paragraph of Reals
Post. That is what i responded to and explained. Your attemp to overwrite my post with your brand of revisionist history is moronic.
People who pay attention to the news respond to the updates they hear. But one of the negative consequences of the Democrats Russian Collusion hoax is that some people may wait longer to decide about something, and/or to to decide about
Something else. Do you understand that?
The Democrats have defined themselves as the irresponsible speakers. I have already pointed this out before and most recently in the thread about the New York Times. So go soak your head in some ice cold water.
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Re: Why Fox News cant be Trusted

Postby leftyg » April 12th, 2020, 4:47 pm

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Postby Michaels153 » April 13th, 2020, 9:34 am

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Re: Why Fox News cant be Trusted

Postby leftyg » April 13th, 2020, 3:05 pm

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Postby Michaels153 » April 15th, 2020, 1:43 pm

If fox News cant be trusted, who do you trust? Look at this montage. Outside of Fox News, and Rush Limbaugh, the media had been lying about what President Trump is doing and has been doing about this pandemic. Here is a montage to open the eyes of liberals. (it won't change them from lying, but every time they do lie, it is evidence like this that exposes them for who they really are.


Pushback! Trump Exposes Phony Journalists with Video Montage
Apr 14, 2020

https://twitter.com/i/status/1249858152578920449
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Re: Why Fox News cant be Trusted

Postby leftyg » April 17th, 2020, 12:53 pm

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Re: Why Fox News cant be Trusted

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Postby Michaels153 » April 17th, 2020, 3:35 pm

Every one a lie, a straw man, or a false comparison. Everyone a biased interpretation of events with omissions of relevant facts. This crap would not be admissible in a court.
This is what we have come to expect from you.
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Re: Why Fox News cant be Trusted

Postby leftyg » April 18th, 2020, 1:47 pm

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Postby Michaels153 » April 18th, 2020, 5:01 pm

The voice of reason here is not you. President Trump has been the voice of reason and shown true leadership here. Your party nevertheless continues to lie about him.
And its not my job to clean up every time you take a dump. How about practicing some ethical journalism here in the first place. Waste your own time, not other peoples time.
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Re: Why Fox News cant be Trusted

Postby leftyg » April 19th, 2020, 11:18 am

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Postby Michaels153 » April 19th, 2020, 2:23 pm

Yes i can. Yes i have. And no i am not going to repeat that information by posting it again here. Now run along and go play somewhere else.
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Re: Why Fox News cant be Trusted

Postby leftyg » April 19th, 2020, 3:56 pm

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Postby Michaels153 » April 23rd, 2020, 7:12 am


Trump disagrees with Georgia’s decision to reopen economy; CDC chief tries to soften controversial coronavirus remarks.
Published: April 22, 2020 at 7:59 p.m. ET
By Jeffry Bartash
Fresh controversies dog White House fight against coronavirus

In politics, footnotes are for the historians to ferret out and determine arbitrarily whether or not to use them in describing past events.
Accused of being anti-science because he is not a Democrat, the critics imply that the voice of reason is the advice of science and their representatives. This past week, the public has been made aware of two unsettling scientific fiascos. First, we were informed that our models for this pandemic are extremely unreliable, or in scientific terms, statistically significant. The projected rates of infection, deaths, and spread have been continually "readjusted." It is normal to readjust data as new data emerges, but when the data goes beyond your standard deviation rates it is time to question the model.
Most recently we learned that the actual testing kits first used were contaminated with the virus itself, making the results of the test invalid and risking those tested who may not have been contaminated with contamination. The purpose of the models were to help prepare our country using the projections as the basis for evaluating our supplies and our capacity to deal with the expected surge at the hospitals. Money was allocated as a result of these projections and as has been recently reported, makeshift MASH and triage stations that were constructed have been disassembled and sent elsewhere after little or no use at the initial site. An excess of some supplies along with, used equipment has now been returned for possible relocation and distribution.
All of these actions are normal and considered reasonable at the time they were carried out. Some people said that these actions were not enough initially when they were implemented and the fact is that many of these measures were more than what was needed. Is the government now going to be accused of wasting funds after the fact?
The President has been accused of not following the advice of the "experts", but when the "experts" that are followed are wrong, then what? The President put together a team to address the current status of this pandemic and to plan when and how to reopen "the country". This reference shows that Georgia's governor has decided to reopen parts of Georgia that is contrary to the phases that were outlined by the President's task force. Should the President accept the governor's decision as he has even though he has publicly stated that he disagrees with the governor's decision? Or, should the President overrule this governor? Future historians may look at these footnotes prior to their summaries of this period. Today, the political pundits pass down their judgements.
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Re: Why Fox News cant be Trusted

Postby leftyg » April 27th, 2020, 12:26 pm

The problem is that the president cannot overrule the governor.

AND we are in the midst of a dynamic process that is unfolding daily. Nobody knows this virus, but they do understand how to handle a pandemic where there is no cure (vaccine) available.
Trump was corrected by the CDC director, Dr. Robert Redfield https://www.foxnews.com/media/cdc-chief ... us-rebound Not only that, but I saw it live on television in Trump's daily briefing. Trump is an ignoramus who should never contradict his experts and impose his fanciful wishes. Yet he has done this continually to the glee of his fans.

But arguing this is a waste of time; you are a Trumpist, a true believer in Trump that cannot be dissuaded even with reason. When the doctors disagree with Trump, it is the doctors who are wrong. Without these interventions, the death rate would probably be at 100 thousand and going up fast. The mitigation has flattened the curb; reengagement would only cause a spike. A ball player does not judge a fly ball on where it currently is; he chases it down by knowing where it is going.

Compare the strength, empathy and courage of Andrew Cuomo with the vacillation, self indulgence and cowardice of Herr Trump.
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Postby Michaels153 » May 1st, 2020, 11:59 am

[quote="leftyg"]The problem is that the president cannot overrule the governor. Obama repeatedly overruled or intimidated governors into doing his bidding with threats of holding government assistance to the states. He ignored the governor of Arizona in his illegal gun running / Fast and furious Scandal. I think that was Jan Brewer back then.

AND we are in the midst of a dynamic process that is unfolding daily. Nobody knows this virus, but they do understand how to handle a pandemic where there is no cure (vaccine) available.
Trump was corrected by the CDC director, Dr. Robert Redfield https://www.foxnews.com/media/cdc-chief ... us-rebound. [color=#FF0000]President Trump was smeared by people who said he told people to inject disinfectants. Trump was correct that there are treatments that act like a disinfectant and that are inserted into the body: Ultraviolet light therapy into the lungs, and then there are the treatments that we already have that act like disinfectants; Chelation, eliminates lead in the blood, kidney dialysis, Chemotherapy. And then there is your overall blindness to authority figures, the doctors (fallacy of authority). The "authority figures", who have been repeatedly wrong in their models, and now these doctors have admitted that alot of deaths have been attributed to Covid 19 that were not actually Covid 19 deaths.

And then there is the testing for antibodies that reveal that a lot of people had been exposed and recovered from the virus without either knowing they had it or without needing to go to the hospital.


Trump is smarter than you, the liberals, and the Democratic party. He is smarter than his teachers, and every time you try the "he isn't smart narrative" you ignore all the times you have been proven wrong. You should keep your mouth shut about comments as to his intellectual state and focus your endless complaints elsewhere. You should focus on substance, instead of ad hominen criticisms.
Thus far, President Trump has been shown to have good reason to question and even criticize many "experts" in their perspective fields. He questioned the actions of Sessions, employees in the FBI, Mueller the Paris accord, The Iran deal, and even some aspects of the consequences of this virus affecting our country.

But reminding you of this is a waste of time; you are a partisan ideologist and a troll. Your really not interested in the truth, nor in the rule of law.
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Re: Why Fox News cant be Trusted

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Leftyg, you think you have chosen your words carefully so you can wiggle away with your rhetoric. But i can use your own words, and your own examples, and I have in having you disprove your own positions. I have given you "verifiable data" from an experiment designed to prove Darwin was right and the experiment failed. (Dr. Joseph Thornton, molecular biologist, experiment.) I quoted Dr.Richard Feynman, University of Cornell Physicist who said in a lecture on the Scientific Method, "Theories that failed the test of data or experiment are falsified ("wrong") and must be discarded. The video is on You Tube, from (1964).
No "bombast of words from questionable sources, no questionable sources at all. I asked you two simple questions at the end of the thread. (You were the last post - Texas public schools teach creationism) And you never answered them. You walked away. You can hide behind your bull, but there is verifiable truth, and it is easy to see.
Don't bother respondin Leftyg. You wont be saying anything different. Your will just be repeating your tired crap, and we are sick of it.
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Postby leftyg » May 4th, 2020, 3:50 pm

Arguing about evolution with a true believer is difficult if not impossible. I have lost my passion for that hopelessness. You cannot prove anything either way, and that is about the only truth there is. I seriously doubt that the earth is only six thousand years old, and the concept of natural selection is compelling. But at the same time, the virus we are now fighting tends to mutate which means it evolves. Now that is very interesting. So when you are asking me for proof that is out of my pay grade more than a little bit. I know this; you only have to do three things to prove causation: "A" must correlate with "B"; "A" must precede "B"; all Z factors or other causes have to be ruled out. The thing is nobody has ever done it.
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Postby Michaels153 » May 6th, 2020, 9:48 pm

Some things are not arguable: you are writing or your not, the shirt you are wearing has stripes or it doesn't. ...etc.
Being a true believer in something is not automatically a strike against you. If you have the facts and the evidence of something and you believe in that, that does not make you an irrational thinker.
You can prove somethings conclusively: DNA tests for paternity identification, spectro anaysis for mineral identification.
The age of the earth. An unknown that is not as important as authenticating scientific measurements. Regression analysis And various dating methods dont agree in areas that cast doubts on the accuracy on fossils and other things.
And the misuse of language that equates
Change with evolution of species has become the last tool to try and maintain the lie of Evolution. Evolution was supposed to refer to the process of transforming from one species to another. Aging is a form of change but when we get older, we are not transforming into a new species.
And you cant prove causation using correlations.
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Postby leftyg » May 14th, 2020, 3:56 pm

Michaels, you cannot prove causation. You can validate simple facts, but the nature of causation is very difficult. And something like how we got here is difficult beyond belief.
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Michael Flynn's attorney files emergency appeal to oust judge on case
Alabama Attorney General Steve Marshall, one of the 15 state AGs pushing to get the Flynn charges dropped, weighs in.

[quote Sidney Powell] The law is clear. He (Judge Sullivan) doesn't have authority to grant it. He can't appoint a prosecutor himself. The case is over, and his bias is so egregious, he should be removed from the case.[/quote]

This is what Judge Sullivan said to Mr. Flynn during the initial sentencing.
[quote Judge Sullivan] I can't hide my disgust, my disdain for your criminal offense... Not only did you lie to the FBI, you lied to senior officials in the incoming administration... Arguably, you sold your courntry out.[/quote]
Judge Sullivan would later apologize for these remarks.

This is not just an excusable sentencing mistake on the part of the judge because he was dealing with the evidence presented to him.
The facts of the case have now become known, and the facts have been checked by the Department of Justice. They were not checked by just one person, - Attorney General Barr, they were checked by the Department of Justice. It was the Department of Justice that came to the decision that Mr. Flynn's case should be dropped, and that they would not prosecute Mr. Flynn

But the same partisan pukes who said that the Attorney General should represent the constitution and not be just the President's lawyer, are silent about Judge Sullivan. The Left is not saying that Judge Sullivan should follow the law and that Judge Sullivan should not make decisions on his own which are clearly not following the rule of law! The left can accuse the attorney general of acting like a lone wolf or a maverick, but no such imagery is made of the actiions of Judge Sullivan. The hypocrisy of the Left, once again is open for all to see, and for the left to ignore again.

Sydney Powell's latest actions are not the only ones regarding the dispostion of Mr. Flynn. But for now, they are the right actions.
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