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Franklin slams editorial saying President should be removed

Postby Michaels153 » December 20th, 2019, 11:36 am

https://www.foxnews.com/media/trump-graham-christianity-today-remove-billy-franklin-impeach
Franklin Graham slams Christianity Today (this is a magazine)for invoking father's name in call for Trump's removal.
By Caleb Parke

....The son of the late pastor Billy Graham said his father would have been "disappointed" by Christianity Today's editorial calling for the removal of President Trump, which was widely celebrated by the left and crashed its website.

Evangelist Franklin Graham accused the Christian magazine of invoking his father's name to represent "the elitist liberal wing of evangelicalism."

Billy Graham was not a liberal. He was not a liberal Christian as it would be defined by the left today. Billy Graham spoke of the immediacy of God's calling and quoted from the Gospel of Mark to illustrate the immediacy of God's message, and the role of a Christian. To those who are not "Christian's," it is difficult to comprehend the personal relationship to God and the lack of denominations as demonstrated by The Lord Jesus Christ.

The pro-Trump evangelical revealed his father not only supported the president but also cast his last vote for him -- a fact he has repeatedly declined to confirm before his post. Billy Graham, who died in 2018 at the age of 99, served as a spiritual adviser to decades of presidents from Harry S. Truman to Barack Obama.

"My father knew Donald Trump, he believed in Donald Trump, and he voted for Donald Trump. He believed that Donald J. Trump was the man for this hour in history for our nation," Graham said.
The "man for this hour" in the history for our nation. This was a common message delivered by Billy Graham. He encouraged Christians to pray, for everything. And he encouraged them to wait for God's answer to those prayers. Billy explained what God's answer would look like, and how you would recognize it. He encouraged Christians to know God, and to learn from God, what God would have them to do.

Franklin knew his father better than I could know him, though I too believe that he would be disappointed in this magazine's editorial.
It really is tragic how liberalism creeps into so many things and actually corrupts it.
It should not be necessary to identify the Biblical truths that support Billy Graham's trusting in Donald Trump to be God's "man of this hour" in the history of our nation
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Re: Franklin slams editorial saying President should be remo

Postby leftyg » December 20th, 2019, 5:04 pm

First Billy Graham was neither liberal or conservative. But Trump's many excapades demonstrate that he should be removed from office, and Christians certainly should not support him. He has lied and tried to coerce a foreign leader into helping his chances in 2020. Mr. Galli, the editor-in-cjeif of Christianity Today wrote:
But the facts in this instance are unambiguous: The president of the United States attempted to use his political power to coerce a foreign leader to harass and discredit one of the president’s political opponents. That is not only a violation of the Constitution; more importantly, it is profoundly immoral.
https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/20 ... ffice.html

That constitutes "Nuff said." But we know that he lies on a daily basis, telling over 15 thousand since he got into office according to the Washington Post https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... over-days/

Trump has, in Editor Galli's words, "dummed down morality in his administration." He not only has lied, but he has slandered the dead (Congressman Dingle who also was a war hero) and the late Senator McCain. He implied that Congressman Dingle might be in Hell. Trump particularly does not like people who have more character than he, and there are boundless numbers of people with more character than he.

And there is little question that he has abused his office for personal gain. He got caught twice that I can think of, once for offering Doral Country Club to house next summers G7 get together and asking President Zelensky of the Ukraine to publicize an inquiry of Joe Biden, his chief rival for president. You have to remember that in 1998 they called for the impeachment of Bill Clinton for lying about an extramarital affair. So they are consistent.

Here is the text of Mr. Galli's editorial comment in Christianity Today (CT):
In our founding documents, Billy Graham explains that Christianity Today will help evangelical Christians interpret the news in a manner that reflects their faith. The impeachment of Donald Trump is a significant event in the story of our republic. It requires comment.

The typical CT approach is to stay above the fray and allow Christians with different political convictions to make their arguments in the public square, to encourage all to pursue justice according to their convictions and treat their political opposition as charitably as possible. We want CT to be a place that welcomes Christians from across the political spectrum, and reminds everyone that politics is not the end and purpose of our being. We take pride in the fact, for instance, that politics does not dominate our homepage.

That said, we do feel it necessary from time to time to make our own opinions on political matters clear—always, as Graham encouraged us, doing so with both conviction and love. We love and pray for our president, as we love and pray for leaders (as well as ordinary citizens) on both sides of the political aisle.

Let’s grant this to the president: The Democrats have had it out for him from day one, and therefore nearly everything they do is under a cloud of partisan suspicion. This has led many to suspect not only motives but facts in these recent impeachment hearings. And, no, Mr. Trump did not have a serious opportunity to offer his side of the story in the House hearings on impeachment.

But the facts in this instance are unambiguous: The president of the United States attempted to use his political power to coerce a foreign leader to harass and discredit one of the president’s political opponents. That is not only a violation of the Constitution; more importantly, it is profoundly immoral.

The reason many are not shocked about this is that this president has dumbed down the idea of morality in his administration. He has hired and fired a number of people who are now convicted criminals. He himself has admitted to immoral actions in business and his relationship with women, about which he remains proud. His Twitter feed alone—with its habitual string of mischaracterizations, lies, and slanders—is a near perfect example of a human being who is morally lost and confused.

Trump’s evangelical supporters have pointed to his Supreme Court nominees, his defense of religious liberty, and his stewardship of the economy, among other things, as achievements that justify their support of the president. We believe the impeachment hearings have made it absolutely clear, in a way the Mueller investigation did not, that President Trump has abused his authority for personal gain and betrayed his constitutional oath. The impeachment hearings have illuminated the president’s moral deficiencies for all to see. This damages the institution of the presidency, damages the reputation of our country, and damages both the spirit and the future of our people. None of the president’s positives can balance the moral and political danger we face under a leader of such grossly immoral character.

This concern for the character of our national leader is not new in CT. In 1998, we wrote this:

The President's failure to tell the truth—even when cornered—rips at the fabric of the nation. This is not a private affair. For above all, social intercourse is built on a presumption of trust: trust that the milk your grocer sells you is wholesome and pure; trust that the money you put in your bank can be taken out of the bank; trust that your babysitter, firefighters, clergy, and ambulance drivers will all do their best. And while politicians are notorious for breaking campaign promises, while in office they have a fundamental obligation to uphold our trust in them and to live by the law.

And this:

Unsavory dealings and immoral acts by the President and those close to him have rendered this administration morally unable to lead.

Unfortunately, the words that we applied to Mr. Clinton 20 years ago apply almost perfectly to our current president. Whether Mr. Trump should be removed from office by the Senate or by popular vote next election—that is a matter of prudential judgment. That he should be removed, we believe, is not a matter of partisan loyalties but loyalty to the Creator of the Ten Commandments.

To the many evangelicals who continue to support Mr. Trump in spite of his blackened moral record, we might say this: Remember who you are and whom you serve. Consider how your justification of Mr. Trump influences your witness to your Lord and Savior. Consider what an unbelieving world will say if you continue to brush off Mr. Trump’s immoral words and behavior in the cause of political expediency. If we don’t reverse course now, will anyone take anything we say about justice and righteousness with any seriousness for decades to come? Can we say with a straight face that abortion is a great evil that cannot be tolerated and, with the same straight face, say that the bent and broken character of our nation’s leader doesn’t really matter in the end?

We have reserved judgment on Mr. Trump for years now. Some have criticized us for our reserve. But when it comes to condemning the behavior of another, patient charity must come first. So we have done our best to give evangelical Trump supporters their due, to try to understand their point of view, to see the prudential nature of so many political decisions they have made regarding Mr. Trump. To use an old cliché, it’s time to call a spade a spade, to say that no matter how many hands we win in this political poker game, we are playing with a stacked deck of gross immorality and ethical incompetence. And just when we think it’s time to push all our chips to the center of the table, that’s when the whole game will come crashing down. It will crash down on the reputation of evangelical religion and on the world’s understanding of the gospel. And it will come crashing down on a nation of men and women whose welfare is also our concern.
https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/20 ... ffice.html
Mark Galli is editor in chief of Christianity Today. https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/20 ... ffice.html
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Re: Franklin slams editorial saying President should be remo

Postby Michaels153 » December 20th, 2019, 9:04 pm

*Note, my responses to Leftyg will be in red

leftyg wrote:First Billy Graham was neither liberal or conservative. But Trump's many excapades demonstrate that he should be removed from office,Your opininion of examples not cited. Should President Trump be removed for having the lowest unemployment rate in the last 50 years? Or perhaps he should be removed because the country now has more jobs than there are workers to fill those jobs. Or should President Trump be removed for the stock market doing so well and all those people with 401k's profiting from it.

In Matthew chapter 7 verse 17 it says: "Even so, every good tree bringeth forth good fruit;" Has the achievements that I just touched on; are they considered good fruit? Matthew chapter 7 verse 18 says: "A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit." So the Lord Jesus Christ just described the characteristics of a good tree and an evil tree, and President Trump falls under what the Lord Jesus Christ described as a good tree. In Matthew chapter 7 verse 20: "Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them."
and Christians certainly should not support him. Wrong. First Timothy chapter 2 verses 1, 2, and 3.: "I exhort therefore , that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men; For kings and for all men that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty. For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour." And the Democrats should not be trying to stop President Trump from doing these good works and more good works than just these. First Timothy chapter 5 verse 18 says: "For the scripture saith, Thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn. And the labourer is worthy of his reward." He has lied No he did not lie. and tried to coerce a foreign leader into helping his chances in 2020. No he asked a foreign leader to assist in uncovering the facts about Biden's criminal actions back in 2016, in UKraine, which as President, he has that authority, and also, there had been an agreement set up under President Obama to work together to fight corruption. Mr. Galli, the editor-in-chief of Christianity Today wrote:
But the facts in this instance are unambiguous: The president of the United States attempted to use his political power to coerce a foreign leader to harass and discredit one of the president’s political opponents. No, Mr. Galli can say that, he can even believe it, but that alone does not make it so.
The facts are as I and others have summarized. President Trump has every right to investigate and to have others investigate the actions of an American citizen accused of criminal behavior. The Democrats do not even know who their own party will choose to be their nominee to run for the office of President in the next election. So they can not claim that President Trump's actions are to "harass and discredit one of the president's political opponents." Your Democrats keep saying that their nominee will probably be Warren or Bloomberg, or maybe share the same ticket.
That is not only a violation of the Constitution; more importantly, it is profoundly immoral. The President's actions are neither a violation of the Constitution, nor are they immoral.
https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/20 ... ffice.html

That constitutes "Nuff said. No that constitutes another blunder on your part, for not knowing the constitution and for not recognizing legal and correct actions, but instead characterizing them as illegal and immoral." But we know that he lies on a daily basis, telling over 15 thousand since he got into office according to the Washington Post No wrong again. https://sharylattkisson.com/2018/06/24/50-media-mistakes-in-the-trump-era-the-definitive-list/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/12/16/president-trump-has-made-false-or-misleading-claims-over-days/ And your still referencing the Washington Post, one of the papers that willingly participated in the Russian collusion hoax, and repeatedly lied about President Trump and lied about activities within his administration.

Trump has, in Editor Galli's words, "dummed down morality in his administration." Your opinion, or Mr Galli's opinion is not the deciding factor in the removal of a President from office. He not only has lied, but he has slandered the dead And you can stop with the complaints of what the President says or tweets while ignoring the comments made by Dingle or others. You can stop the faux reverence for those that served in the war. Benedict Arnold served in the war also. Mueller served in the war, and his actions, have been disgraceful, and his report was a pile of manure. McCain was a bitter has been who ignored the will of his own constituents and his party just because he wanted to get back at President Trump, who exposed him . McCain just continued to embarrass himself, and showed others he was a bitter loser. (Congressman Dingle who also was a war hero) and the late Senator McCain. He implied that Congressman Dingle might be in Hell. Trump particularly does not like people who have more character than he, and there are boundless numbers of people with more character than he. You are free to have an opinion. And my opinion is that you are just another partisan ideologue who is blinded by your prejudice and separated from reality.

And there is little question that he has abused his office for personal gain. Wrong again. He got caught twice that I can think of, once for offering Doral Country Club to house next summers G7 get together that "offering" was just that, an "offering" and it was a generous offering from a man who has been the guest of foreign officials and has had foreigh officials come here to be his guests. President Trump understands the needs of foreign officials better than you or I do. and asking President Zelensky of the Ukraine to publicize an inquiry of Joe Biden, his chief rival for president. Joe Biden had no problem making his threats public, and bragging about them afterwards. It is not unusual for investigations to be given public attention. You have to remember that in 1998 they called for the impeachment of Bill Clinton for lying about an extramarital affair. Bill Clinton was impeached for Perjury ( lying under oath), and obstruction of justice. He lied about his affair and he tried to get others to lie for him so that he could have an alibi. The charges stemmed from a sexual harassment lawsuit filed against him by Paula Jones and for his denying he had a sexual affair with the White House Intern Monica Lewinsky. Federal District Judge Susan Webber cited Clinton for civil contempt for his "willful failure to obey her orders to testify truthfully in the Paula Jones sexual harassment lawsuit. For this citation, Clinton was assessed a $90,000 fine. And for his lying about Monica Lewinsky, he received a five year suspension of his Arkansas law license, and a $25,000 fine. Clinton was also automatically suspended from the United States Supreme Court Bar.
Leftyg said:-> " So they are consistent"
. Michaels153 replies: -> These two cases are not consistent. President Trump has not even been officially impeached according to the Democratic lawyer they called as a withness for their kangaroo court.

The text of what Mr. Galli said in his editorial, is not shared by Billy Graham's son, nor was it materially relevant in the Democrat's writing of their articles of impeachment.
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Re: Franklin slams editorial saying President should be remo

Postby leftyg » December 21st, 2019, 4:40 pm

My responses to Michaels will be in blue.

Michaels begins with a non sequitur:
Your opininion of examples not cited. Should President Trump be removed for having the lowest unemployment rate in the last 50 years? Or perhaps he should be removed because the country now has more jobs than there are workers to fill those jobs. Or should President Trump be removed for the stock market doing so well and all those people with 401k's profiting from it.
That is a debate non sequitur* and is therefore irrelevant. Overall, Bill Clinton had a much better economy going in that not only was unemployment down around 4% but deficits were nearly gone and Labor force participation rates were at an all-time high. Today neither of those conditions is true. The deficit is soaring and LFP is no different than under Obama

Your response simply does not matter because it does not address the articles of impeachment, obstruction of justice and foreign meddling in our democratic process.
*A non sequitur is a fallacy in which a conclusion does not follow logically from what preceded it. Also known as irrelevant reason and fallacy of the consequent.

But you continue Michaels:
In Matthew chapter 7 verse 17 it says: "Even so, every good tree bringeth forth good fruit;" Has the achievements that I just touched on; are they considered good fruit? Matthew chapter 7 verse 18 says: "A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit." So the Lord Jesus Christ just described the characteristics of a good tree and an evil tree, and President Trump falls under what the Lord Jesus Christ described as a good tree. In Matthew chapter 7 verse 20: "Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them."
And your response falls under the category of BS. Al Capone was much loved in Chicago because he created jobs during the Depression, not just bootlegging jobs but all kinds of services for people. There are lots of rich bad guys. That does not make them the good tree that Jesus was talking about. Michaels, so far, you have made no sense what-so-ever. Besides Trumps economy is no more than a continuation of the Obama economy.

But undeterred you go on after I assert quite correctly thet "Christians should not support him" You say:
Wrong. First Timothy chapter 2 verses 1, 2, and 3.: "I exhort therefore , that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men; For kings and for all men that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty. For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour." And the Democrats should not be trying to stop President Trump from doing these good works and more good works than just these. First Timothy chapter 5 verse 18 says: "For the scripture saith, Thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn. And the labourer is worthy of his reward.


No, the Democrats should be trying to keep President Trump from taking foreign policy advice from Vladimir Putin and trying to get the Ukrainians to spy on Joe Biden. That way we can have the peaceble kingdom that would be pleasing to "God our Saviour." And speaking of a life of godliness and honesty, how can we do that when we have a liar, Trump, as president.

Then I say He has lied to whit you reply
No he did not lie.
I continue "and tried to coerce a foreign leader into helping his chances in 2020."

You continue your reply:
No he asked a foreign leader to assist in uncovering the facts about [color=#000000]Biden's criminal actions back in 2016, in UKraine, which as President, he has that authority, and also, there had been an agreement set up under President Obama to work together to fight corruption.
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Simply stated, you are wrong. Vice President Biden went to the Ukrainians and told them to fire Victor Shokin, the lead prosecutor looking into corruption in the Ukraine. Biden did so because Shokin was not prosecuting oligarchs and crooks. He did so at the behest of President Obama, and Christine Lagarde, the head of the international monetary fund (IMF). They were not going to give the Ukraine one billion dollars unless they straightened up their ways. Biden did brag that Shokin was fired. But the Vice-President was working at the behest of the united States government as their point man and he was helping the IMF responsibly spend its money. Joe Biden was not working for himself or his son. He wanted Burisama more thoroughly investigated.

Which brings us to the phone call on July 25. Let's do a timeline that will destroy Little Jinny Jordan's faux exculpation of Trump: President Zelensky was inaugurated on April 21, 2019. Previously on February 28, 2019, President Trump promised the aid; he did again on May 13 he promised Congress. Which brings us to June 18 when the Pentagon releases the aid after it finds no basis for corruption. On his July 25th call Trump asks Zelensky to investigate Biden to get the aid. The Ukrainians were well aware the aid was being withheld., The aid was released two days after the story broke in the media (thank God for good reporters). Trump released the aid when he got caught.
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Re: Franklin slams editorial saying President should be remo

Postby Michaels153 » December 21st, 2019, 4:43 pm

Washington
(President) Trump blasts Christian editorial calling for his removal
By Elana Schor and Jill Colvin
published in the Cleveland Plain Dealer; page A12 on Saturday 12/21/19.

....Trump tweeted that Christianity Today, an evangelical magazine founded by the late Rev. Billy Graham, "would rather have a Radical Left nonbeliever, who wants to take your religion
& your guns, than Donald Trump as your President.
The magazine "has been doing poorly and hasn't been involved with the Billy Graham family for many years." Trump wrote. He questioned whether the magazine would prefer a Democratic president "to guard their religion."
Some of his strongest evangelical supporters, including Graham's son, rallied to his side and against the publication.
...Rev. Franklin Graham, who now leads the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association and prayed at Trump's inauguration, said:... Christianity Today "represents what I would call the leftist elite within the evangelical community. They certainly don't represent the Bible-believing segment of the evangelical community," Graham told the Associated Press. He wrote on Facebook: "Is President Trump guilty of sin? Of course he is, as were all past presidents and as each one of us are, including myself." Romans chapter 3, verse 23: "For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God."
....Cissie Graham Lynch, an advisory board member of Women for Trump and Franklin Graham's daughter, said she was "outraged" to see the publication invoke her grandfather's "name to support their personal political agenda."
...Many prominent evangelicals have only intensified their support for Trump as Democrats moved to impeach him.
...Pro-Trump evangelicals are happy with the president's record of achievements on their highest priorities, such as his successful installation of more than 150 conservative judges and his support for anti-abortion policies.
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Re: Franklin slams editorial saying President should be remo

Postby leftyg » December 21st, 2019, 5:23 pm

Any believing Christian should oppose President Trump. Simply put, he is a liar who lacks basic character. He attacks a good man like Joe Biden when the Bible clearly says do not bear false witness against they neighbor Exodus 20:16. And he does it on a daily basis. He is probably the least Christian person ever to be president. That you worship him as the second coming is very curious
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Re: Franklin slams editorial saying President should be remo

Postby leftyg » December 21st, 2019, 9:03 pm

I wrote this:
But the facts in this instance are unambiguous: The president of the United States attempted to use his political power to coerce a foreign leader to harass and discredit one of the president’s political opponents.


And Michaels you came back with this:
No, Mr. Galli can say that, he can even believe it, but that alone does not make it so.
The facts are as I and others have summarized. President Trump has every right to investigate and to have others investigate the actions of an American citizen accused of criminal behavior. The Democrats do not even know who their own party will choose to be their nominee to run for the office of President in the next election. So they can not claim that President Trump's actions are to "harass and discredit one of the president's political opponents." Your Democrats keep saying that their nominee will probably be Warren or Bloomberg, or maybe share the same ticket. That is not only a violation of the Constitution; more importantly, it is profoundly immoral. The President's actions are neither a violation of the Constitution, nor are they immoral.

https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/20 ... ffice.html

My God Michaels, you have been duped. It looks fishy when you investigate your chief rival for the presidency and have your personal lawyer spearhead the investigation. That is what Vladimir Putin does. President Trump has no right to subvert the electoral, and that is exactly what he is doing. It is wrong to ask foreign countries to do it. It is wrong for Trump to get advice from Putin. Putin put the bug in his ear about the Ukraine which is a total hoax.

Vice President Biden was our chief negotiator with the Ukraine on getting rid of Victor Shokin. President Obama as well as Christine Lagarde of the International Monetary Fund sent him to Kiev to tell the Ukrainians that they were not going to get any money if they did not fire Shokin who was a do nothing prosecutor. VP Biden gave them the message, and they fired Shokin. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol ... 785620002/ President Trump is an oligarchic thug and it is time that you get used to it. You backed a jerk. You backed a guy with so little character it could not be found. His childish tirades and his support from the worst elements in Americn society scare the hell our of me. If he is re-elected we are doomed as a democracy.
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Re: Franklin slams editorial saying President should be remo

Postby Michaels153 » December 23rd, 2019, 1:01 pm

https://www.christianpost.com/news/nearly-200-evangelical-leaders-slam-christianity-today-for-questioning-their-christian-witness.html
Nearly 200 evangelical leaders slam Christianity Today for questioning their Christian witness
In a letter sent to Timothy Dalrymple, the president of Christianity Today, on Sunday, nearly 200 evangelical faith leaders condemned both its editorial calling for the removal of President Donald Trump from office and its editor-in-chief, Mark Galli, for dismissing evangelicals who oppose his views on the matter as being “far right.”

The faith leaders said in the letter, which can be read in full below, that the editorial “offensively questioned the spiritual integrity and Christian witness of tens-of-millions of believers who take seriously their civic and moral obligations."

The signatories also decried Galli who they say “offensively dismissed” their point of view in comments he made in an interview with CNN Friday, where he said that evangelicals who are upset or outraged by his Christianity Today editorial do not read the magazine because they are “Christians on the far right, evangelicals on the far right, so they’re going to be as dismissive of the magazine as President Trump has shown to be.”

“We are, in fact, not ‘far-right’ evangelicals as characterized by the author," the letter states. "Rather, we are Bible-believing Christians and patriotic Americans who are simply grateful that our president has sought our advice as his administration has advanced policies that protect the unborn, promote religious freedom, reform our criminal justice system, contribute to strong working families through paid family leave, protect the freedom of conscience, prioritize parental rights, and ensure that our foreign policy aligns with our values while making our world safer, including through our support of the State of Israel.

It continues, "We are not theocrats and we recognize that our imperfect political system is a reflection of the fallen world within which we live, reliant upon the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, which is freely given to sinner and saint, alike.

“We are proud to be numbered among those in history who, like Jesus, have been pretentiously accused of having too much grace for tax collectors and sinners, and we take deeply our personal responsibility to render unto Caesar what is Caesar's — our public service."
They also denounced assertions Galli made in an essay published last year in the book Still Evangelical?, in which he derided the 76% of white self-identified evangelical voters who helped elect Trump in 2016. He described those individuals as "evangelicals [who] often haven’t finished college, and if they have jobs (and apparently most of them don’t), they are blue collar jobs or entry level work.” In the same piece, Galli referred to himself as belonging to a different group of evangelicals, the “elite” evangelicals.

The letter also assumes that Christianity Today will support a Democrat in the 2020 presidential election, and issues a challenge to publicly declare which Democrat they will support.

Although Galli's opinion is that Trump must be removed from office, he stressed in an interview with The Washington Post Friday that he has supported some of the president's policy decisions, “including the judges he nominated and his support for anti-abortion policies.”

Galli, who will be retiring from his position at the magazine in January, added that despite the attention his editorial has received, he's keenly aware that it's not likely to change many people's opinions. “I don’t have any illusions that because of what I wrote or because it was under the masthead of Christianity Today that it’s going to change many minds. It’s not going to change many minds.”

....Ralph Reed, chairman of the Faith and Freedom Coalition, dismissed the publication in an interview with Fox News opinion host Laura Ingraham Friday night, recasting it as "Christianity Yesterday."

"You cannot imagine a publication more out of step with the faith community that it once represented," Reed said before lauding Trump's policies supporting religious liberty and Israel.

Family Research Council President Tony Perkins also hit back at Christianity Today's editorial in an interview with Shannon Bream on "Fox News @Night" by asking whether they had written editorials condemning the Obama administration's actions in thwarting Congress' investigation into Fast and Furious, or refusing to uphold the Defense of Marriage Act, or forcing Christian-owned businesses to pay for birth control and abortion-inducing drugs under the HHS' Obamacare mandate.

Dr. Dalrymple,

We write collectively to express our dissatisfaction with the editorial Christianity Today published on Thursday, December 19, 2019 calling for the removal of our duly elected President, who was put into office at the behest of over sixty million voters.

It was astonishing to us that your editor-in-chief, Mark Galli, further offensively dismissed our point of view on CNN by saying, “Christianity Today is not read by the people - Christians on the far right, by evangelicals on the far right - so they’re going to be as dismissive of the magazine as President Trump has shown to be.” It also came to our attention, that Mr. Galli has written other statements about Americans who chose Donald Trump over Secretary Clinton in 2016, referring tothem as “These other evangelicals [who] often haven’t finished college, and if they have jobs, and apparently most of them don’t, they are blue-collar jobs or entry level work” as he describes himself with pride as an “elite evangelical.”

Of course, it’s up to your publication to decide whether or not your magazine intends to be a voice of evangelicals like those represented by the signatories below, and it is up to us and those Evangelicals like us to decide if we should subscribe to, advertise in and read your publication online and in print, but historically, we have been your readers.

We are, in fact, not “far-right” evangelicals as characterized by the author.

Rather, we are Bible-believing Christians and patriotic Americans who are simply grateful that our President has sought our advice as his administration has advanced policies that protect the unborn, promote religious freedom, reform our criminal justice system, contribute to strong working families through paid family leave, protect the freedom of conscience, prioritize parental rights, and ensure that our foreign policy aligns with our values while making our world safer, including through our support of the State of Israel. We are not theocrats, and we recognize that our imperfect political system is a reflection of the fallen world within which we live, reliant upon the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, which is freely given to sinner and saint, alike.

We are proud to be numbered among those in history who, like Jesus, have been pretentiously accused of having too much grace for tax collectors and sinners, and we take deeply our personal responsibility to render unto Caesar what is Caesar's -- - our public service.

The editorial you published, without any meaningful and immediate regard for dissenting points of view, not only supported the entirely-partisan, legally-dubious, and politically-motivated impeachment but went even further, calling for Donald Trump not to be elected again in 2020 when he certainly survives impeachment.

As one of our signatories said to the press, “I hope Christianity Today will now tell us who they will support for president among the 2020 Democrat field?”

Your editorial offensively questioned the spiritual integrity and Christian witness of tens-of-millions of believers who take seriously their civic and moral obligations.

It not only targeted our President; it also targeted those of us who support him, and have supported you.
Sincerely,

Lourdes Aguirre
President
United Marketing Solutions , (and you can check all the others who signed off on this letter from the link to the column that is is found.


This is very much like when Leftyg, you proudly published the results of a survey from a panel at the University of Chicago that showed that 36 Economists were in an agreement that Obama's economic stimulus was an unqualified success; and then I presented the 200 economists that did not agree, and published their names along with their letter to President Obama in the New York Times.
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https://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2019/12/20/iowa-man-sentenced-to-15-years-for-burning-lgbtq-flag/
Iowa Man Sentenced to 15 Years for Burning LGBTQ Flag
Dec 20, 2019

....RUSH: This is from ABC News: “Iowa Man Who Tore Down, Burned LGBTQ Flag Is Imprisoned.” The story’s out of Nevada, Iowa. “A man has been sentenced to more than 15 years in prison for burning an LGBTQ flag that was flying at a church in central Iowa. Adolfo Martinez, 30, of Ames, was sentenced Wednesday to 15 years ....He was arrested in June. Martinez said he tore down the [LGBTQ] flag that had been hanging from the United Church of Christ in Ames and burned it because he opposes homosexuality.”


Now the purpose of presenting this story is to demonstrate that not all churches who say that they are Christian, actually follow the teachings of the Lord Jesus Christ. Just like Mark Galli is not a spokesperson for evangelicals, and he certainly is not a spokesman for the late Rev. Billy Graham.
Mark Galli penned an editorial in a magazine that was begun by the late Rev. Billy Graham. It is apparent from the swift public backlash, that he had no right to invoke the late Rev. Billy Grahm's name to his opinion piece, in a magazine that was founded by the Rev. Billy Graham.
It is apparent from Franklin Graham, and others who call themselves evangelicals, the Mr. Galli is a left leaning individual who calls himself an evangelical.
Just as the Methodist Church of Christ that was hanging A LGBTQ flag from its church, is a sign that that church does not speak for Christian's.
But for you Leftyg, who have accepted your role as being nothing more than a partisan religious troll, finding anybody who says something against this president, or against Republicans, is all that matters. You can pretend that they represent anything what you would like them to represent but you really have not learned anything at all from previous threads. You did not learn anything from my thread The True Biblical reseponse to illegal immigration & dreamers. (2/11/18). In that thread I pointed out examples from Nancy Pelosi and you trying to weaponize scripture to further an agenda, and how it didn't work, because you and others who try it usually don't know the meaning of scriptures in and out of context.
No you haven't learned anything Leftyg.
You said: "Any believing Christian should oppose President Trump. Simply put, he is a liar who lacks basic character. He attacks a good man like Joe Biden when the Bible clearly says do not bear false witness against they neighbor Exodus 20:16.
Here Leftyg you quote the Old Testament Scripture of Exodus 20:16, but on 2/17/18 you said For God sake stop using this Old Testament crap
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Again, like the religious troll that you are, you will use any scripture and any rationalization for using it.
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